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   MH>>> I have thought the exact same thing before. Conservative when it  
   MH>>> comes to spending, not people's rights. Conservatives follow the  
   MH>>> constituation - liberals ignore it or want to change it as they  
   MH>>> see fit. Afterall, they know what is best for us average people  
   MH>>> in the US population.. :)  
    
   BA>> Conservatives *claim* to follow the Constitution, in practice they do  
  as  
   BA>> much damage  
   BA>> to it as liberals. The horribly misnamed USA PATRIOT Act to name just  
  one.  
    
   JH> On balance, if you go back to the beginning of the  
   JH> entitlement era (1932), I think you'll find that the most  
   JH> egregious damage has been done by Democrats/liberals.  They  
    
   Nope. Bush alone did more damage than democrats did since then.  
   Real damage, not pretend damage.  
    
   JH> were the first to start dipping into the Social Security  
   JH> trust fund,  
    
   The trust fund was invested in Treasury securities from it's  
   inception.  
    
   JH> they passed Johnson's Guns and Butter welfare crap  
    
   Johnson's plan was a work based plan. Welfare existed before  
   Johnson, and his attempt to turn it into work was killed by  
   conservatives.  
    
   Oh, and Johnson's policies still kept the debt/GDP ratio going  
   down.  
    
   JH> they passed Medicare, they passed Food Stamps, etc.  
    
   Medicare has been one of America's great success stories.  
    
   JFK and LBJ got food stamps started up, but the big expansion  
   was under Nixon/Ford.  
    
   JH> Now, to be sure, Republicans were complicate in some of  
   JH> those, but basically it was Democrats who own the  
   JH> entitlement problem.  
    
   Entitlements are not the problem, jobs are. And republicans own  
   the unemployment problem.  
    
   JH> After all, most the stuff prior to  
   JH> Obama happened between 1945 and 1994 when the Democrats  
   JH> were in control of the House and at least partially in  
   JH> control of the Senate for the vast majority of that period.  
    
   And republicans were in control of the presidency and partially  
   or completely in control of congress most of the time from 1980  
   till 2009. Yet they did not solve one single problem in this  
   line.  
    
    
    
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