Replying to a message of BOB KLAHN to ALL:  
    
   BK> ~>>  Since I would have no reason to check the list before *RENEWING*  
   BK> ~>>  my echos  
    
   EC>> Notice that he now falls back to weasel-wording.  He  
    
   BK>  Notice how Earl falls back to distortion and deception. Straight  
   BK> out, I do not check my echos to see how they are listed before  
   BK> renewing the listing.  
    
   EC>> already said that he CHECKS the list before sending in a  
   EC>> listing.  
    
   BK>  Yes. I have done that in every case where I listed a new echo. I  do  
   BK> *NOT* do that if I have good reason to believe I already have  the  
   BK> echo listed. Is Earl actually fool enough to try to claim I  meant I  
   BK> recheck the echolist every single time I relist an echo?  
    
   EC>> That led him into a deadend. CHECKS the list  
   EC>> before sending in a listing.  That led him into a deadend.  
    
    
   BK>  No, it did not. It just gave Earl another excuse to twist and  
   BK>  deceive.  
    
   BK>   Ok, readers... either Earl knows a lot less than he wants you to  
   BK> think he does, or he is counting on your ignorance to get away  with  
   BK> that.  
    
   BK>  When you renew an echo you do not send in a listing, you send in  an  
   BK> update. Officially, an moderator update. Shortened to  Mod Upd.  
    
   BK>  Just so you know a bit about how it works.  
    
   EC>>  He is careful not to say that he DID NOT check the list,  
   EC>>  but to merely say that he HAD NO REASON to do so.  
    
   BK>  Which is why I did not do it. Now, that's said straight out.  
    
   BK>  Hey, all readers... I have been at this long enough to know, if  
   BK>  you try to list an already listed echo without the correct  
   BK>  password, it won't work.  
    
   BK>  So, had I checked the echo list and found I did not have the  
   BK>  echo listed I would have known submitting an update would not  
   BK>  work.  
    
   EC>> A renewal is the easiest thing in the world.  You go to your  
   EC>> previously-sent e-mail to the echolist, and you send it  
   EC>> again.  He did not do that in November.  When he tried to  
   EC>> ban two people, he suddenly realized that he had never  
   EC>> listed ALL-POLITICS and he tried to grab it.  
    
   BK>  Uh, that is a lie. He did not even offer that as speculation, he  
   BK> said it as if it were a fact. That makes it a lie.  
    
   BK>  I have used two different email services, and two different BBSs  and  
   BK> 4 different passwords for renewing All Politics in the two  years I  
   BK> have had it listed. In several cases I typed it all in  rather than  
   BK> reusing an old update, for the simple reason I did  not have an old  
   BK> msg available on that service.  
    
   BK>  BFD. As I said, I have been at this for quite a few years. I  
   BK>  know you can't update an echo if you don't have the correct  
   BK>  password. I have enough copies of those msgs for the Debate  
   BK>  echo, when I used a password for another echo.  
    
   BK>  Earl truly thinks you are all fools or as corrupt as he is if he  
   BK> thinks you are buying his deception. Or is he right?  
    
   EC>> His intent is all the more obvious when you look and see  
   EC>> that he had renewed "all politics" and "debate" just 27  
   EC>> days earlier.  Just those two! They were good for the next  
   EC>> six months.  But on November 12 he suddenly tried to list  
   EC>> ALL-POLITICS for the first time, with no accompanying  
   EC>> renewal of "debate."  I had listed it more than TEN MONTHS  
   EC>> earlier, and if he had checked ANY ONE of those lists he  
   EC>> would have KNOWN that fact.  
    
   BK>  Well, you could say I gave him credit for enough integrity to  
   BK>  not poach another person's echo. However, giving Earl credit for  
   BK> integrity would be way out of line.  
    
   EC>> Just a few days ago he said he  
   EC>> checks the list before trying to list an echo, and now he  
    
   BK>  Yes, to list an echo originally, not to renew a listing.  
    
   EC>> has to backtrack so far as to pretend that he hadn't  
   EC>> checked the list for ten months!  He doesn't want to say  
   EC>> that, though, so he weasels with talk about whether or not  
   EC>> he had a "reason" to do it.  
    
   BK>  Earl will take any sliver of an opening to deceive. Since anyone  who  
   BK> reads the echolist home page knows you get a notice if  someone tries  
   BK> to list your echo, either Earl knows a lot less  than he likes to  
   BK> pretend, or Earl is just assuming you can be  easily deceived.  
    
   BK> BOB KLAHN bob.klahn@sev.org   http://home.toltbbs.com/bobklahn  
    
  The ;receding was brought to you by Bob Klahn, the most dishonest poster in  
  Fidonet.  
  Draw your own concludions.  
    
  --- FleetStreet 1.19+  
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