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  Msg # 407 of 463 on FEDGE_76, Thursday 8-24-11, 3:43  
  From: JEFF SNYDER  
  To: ALL  
  Subj: Harold Camping's October 21 Prediction 0  
  In a previous blog post I stated that I was done talking about this issue;  
  but after having just read the latest news regarding the misguided, false  
  prophet Harold Camping, I felt compelled to offer some additional comments  
  concerning this issue.  
    
  As you may have already heard, Harold Camping -- the impresario behind the  
  Family Radio Network -- is now claiming that May 21st represented an  
  "invisible judgment day" which only occurred in the Realm of the Spirit.  
  According to Mr. Camping's new interpretation, the real deal -- that is, the  
  physical destruction of the Earth -- will occur on October 21st, without a  
  lead-up time of five months, which supposedly was to have been marked by  
  global calamities, as he had predicted earlier. For those of you who are not  
  familiar with the Book of Revelation, while I haven't delved deeply into Mr.  
  Camping's teachings, I am assuming that he derived the five-month period  
  from the following verses:  
    
  "And to them it was given that they should not kill them, but that they  
  should be tormented five months: and their torment was as the torment of a  
  scorpion, when he striketh a man. And in those days shall men seek death,  
  and shall not find it; and shall desire to die, and death shall flee from  
  them. And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto  
  battle; and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold, and their faces  
  were as the faces of men. And they had hair as the hair of women, and their  
  teeth were as the teeth of lions. And they had breastplates, as it were  
  breastplates of iron; and the sound of their wings was as the sound of  
  chariots of many horses running to battle. And they had tails like unto  
  scorpions, and there were stings in their tails: and their power was to hurt  
  men five months."  
  Revelation 9:5-10, KJV  
    
  Concerning the physical destruction of the Earth by fire, as I mention in a  
  number of my own articles which deal with the end of this present world, Mr.  
  Camping probably had verses such as the following in mind:  
    
  "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;  
  but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but  
  that all should come to repentance. But the day of the Lord will come as a  
  thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great  
  noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the  
  works that are therein shall be burned up. Seeing then that all these things  
  shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy  
  conversation and godliness, Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the  
  day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the  
  elements shall melt with fervent heat? Nevertheless we, according to his  
  promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth  
  righteousness. Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be  
  diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless."  
  2 Peter 3:9-14, KJV  
    
  So while some of Harold Camping's beliefs clearly have a Scriptural basis,  
  nevertheless, like many other people, Christian and non-Christian alike, I  
  am left flabbergasted by his latest remarks, which he shared in a 90-minute  
  speech which was broadcast online, as well as via his Family Radio Network.  
    
  Mr. Camping has now struck out twice with his 1994 prediction, as well as  
  with his May 21 prediction. Should we really expect any different from his  
  October 21 prediction?  
    
  Allow me to again share with you a few verses that are found in the Old  
  Testament, which deal with the office of a Prophet:  
    
  "But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I  
  have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other  
  gods, even that prophet shall die. And if thou say in thine heart, How shall  
  we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in  
  the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the  
  thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it  
  presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."  
  Deuteronomy 18:20-22, KJV  
    
  "And when this cometh to pass, (lo, it will come,) then shall they know that  
  a prophet hath been among them."  
  Ezekiel 33:33, KJV  
    
  So there we see a clear contrast between a true Prophet of God, and a false  
  prophet who is motivated by his own pride and vanity. Which one does Harold  
  Camping represent?  
    
  At this point, one of the things which is of concern to me -- aside from how  
  Harold Camping's blunders will affect the overall perception of our faith --  
  is how Mr. Camping's followers will choose to react to his obvious misstep.  
  Sadly, having been deceived myself four decades ago when I participated in a  
  particular organization which likewise set a false date for the Return of  
  Jesus Christ, I have a good idea regarding how many of his followers will  
  choose to react. Allow me to share with you a few excerpts from some of my  
  articles. In part two of my 2010 series entitled "2012 - New Age Deception  
  And Psychobabble" I note the following:  
    
  -----  
    
  This is a common reaction with cults and other manipulative groups. In other  
  words, when a leader is exposed as a false prophet, the more dedicated  
  followers will simply forgive him for his blunders, wash over his mistakes,  
  and they will continue to place their faith in his writings, until the time  
  arrives for them to purchase his next book, which many of them will gladly  
  do.  
    
  -----  
    
  In part nine of my 1997 twenty-part series "Nature of the Alien : ET's,  
  Demons or a Government Plot?" I also state the following:  
    
  -----  
    
  As I already said, we have heard of similar predictions like these for  
  decades, from many self-proclaimed prophets, seers, psychics and contactees.  
  Every single one of them has failed. Of course, as is usually the case, the  
  leader offers a vague explanation which satisfies the most devoted  
  followers, and they continue living in their state of delusion. Sometimes,  
  the date for the predicted UFO landing is moved up, or else the followers  
  are told that by our own decisions, we humans have helped to change the  
  course of events. This is exactly what occurred with the Nibiru prediction.  
  Supposedly, Nibiru was going to arrive in 2003; now it is 2012, according to  
  a few websites that I have visited.  
    
  In short, a plausible excuse for failure is always provided. The psychic,  
  prophet, seer or channeler must maintain their credibility with their  
  followers at all cost; and the blind followers are usually quick to forgive  
  their leader. I speak from personal experience, and have observed this  
  firsthand. So these people who make predictions of massive UFO landings on a  
  certain date, or who say that Jesus will be coming back in a particular  
  year, or who claim that such-and-such will happen on a specified date, are  
  committing a grave mistake; and it may in fact end up being their own grave,  
  if they are proven to be wrong.  
    
  -----  
    
  So while some of Harold Camping's current followers are no doubt very  
  disappointed, confused, wondering what to do, and in some cases are no doubt  
  contemplating the abandoning the man -- if they haven't already done so --  
  nevertheless, there will be a core group of followers who will maintain  
  undying faith in Camping's words and predictions, because they are just that  
  deceived, and absolutely nothing will persuade them otherwise.  
    
  For those who do choose to leave Camping's fold, I feel very sorry for them;  
  because while they are making the right choice to do so, I also know from  
  personal experience that they will continue to be affected by Harold  
  Camping's teachings for years to come, and they will be plagued with doubts  
  and confusion. They will in fact be forced to forsake a lot of their  
  mistaken ideas and beliefs, and will have to rebuild their faith in -- and  
  understanding of -- God's Word, from the foundation, through a careful  
  examination of the Scriptures. This will not be an easy task for some of  
  them, because cult indoctrination is an extremely powerful thing to  
  overcome. In my case, it took me a full ten years to pretty much rid myself  
  of my doubts, confusion and most of my mistaken ideas. Allow me to share  
  with you an excerpt from my 1997 three-part series "Heaven's Gate, Suicide  
  And Other Death Cults":  
    
  ----- Begin Quote -----  
    
  It is an established fact that in order for an individual to become a happy,  
  successful and productive member of any type of regimented society, group or  
  organization, such as the aforementioned cults, he must first be willing, or  
  perhaps be induced, to surrender his free will for the supposed good of the  
  whole. In other words, he must be transformed into an obedient member of the  
  collective whole. One of the initial stages in this subtle process is to  
  convince the new recruit that his former value system and/or frame of  
  reference is wrong. To accomplish this, the new recruit is first made to  
  doubt the validity of his old way of thinking by showing him its inherent  
  flaws and weaknesses. To prove this point, the recruiter may point to the  
  current dismal state of society, and attribute it to following the old way  
  of thinking. Much of what the recruiter says will indeed be true, and the  
  new member will find himself readily agreeing with much of the recruiter's  
  words. At this point of the process, a bridge of trust has begun to form.  
    
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