On 10/17/2010 04:54 PM, Earl Croasmun -> All wrote:  
   EC> On 10/17/2010 6:06 PM, Ed Hulett wrote to Ross Sauer:  
    
   EH>>>> All you have are ultra left-wing talking points. Beck tells his  
   EH>>>> listeners and viewers on a regular basis to eschew violence. His  
   EH>>>> message isn't that of hate as his detractors claim (they are just  
   EH>>>> following Saul Alinski's Rules for Radicls when they make those  
   EH>>>> claims) his messaage is to change yourself -- become more  
   EC> spiritually  
   EH>>>> centered and to treat others with love and respect.  
    
   RS>>> Yeah, Beck tells his loyal groupies to eschew violence.  
    
   EC> I have no interest in Beck, but if you want to see how shallow this  
   EC> "mediamatters" story about Byron Williams really is, see:  
    
  Do you mean that Media Mutters et al got the story wrong? Say it ain't so!  
    
   EC> http://reason.com/blog/2010/10/11/byron-williams-talks  
    
   EC> or you can go all the way back to the interview that the Reason story  
   EC> reported on:  
    
   EC> http://www.examiner.com/sf-in-san-francisco/freeway-gunman-  
  yron-williams-says-glenn-beck-did-not-incite-him-to-violence  
    
    
   EC> The title sort of gives it away. One line from the story, in fact: "He  
   EC> also said he felt forced to act out in violence because Beck and  
  others in  
   EC> the right wing media were not fighting hard enough against  
  organizations  
   EC> like the left-leaning Tides Foundation. "  
    
   EC> and later in the article:  
    
   EC> "When asked directly if he knew about the Tides Foundation before Beck  
   EC> mentioned it, Williams replied, ôYes, I already had all that  
  information  
   EC> that he used on one or two of his programs. I already knew all of that  
   EC> stuff. And to me it was more of a confirmation of what I already knew.  
  ô  
    
   EC> When asked if it hadnÆt been for Glenn Beck and Fox News, whether he  
  still  
   EC> would have planned violence, Williams said that it was because Fox News  
   EC> didnÆt do enough to pursue the political left that he became frustrated  
  and  
   EC> felt like violence was the only answer.  
    
   EC> The freeway gunman said, ôIÆm actually mad at Fox. IÆm mad at them  
   EC> because they go on to something else. ItÆs like they drop the issue  
  and it  
   EC> lands on a shelf somewhere to collect dust. And thatÆs whatÆs  
  happening to  
   EC> the truth. "  
    
   EC> This will all come as a shock to Sauer. Everything does.  
    
  No, Otto will claim that Reason and examiner.com are right-wing liars. He  
  has  
  no shame.  
    
  Ed  
    
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  there  
  be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, than that of  
  blindfolded  
  fear." -- Thomas Jefferson  
    
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