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  Msg # 3174 of 3261 on FRAIL174, Sunday 1-07-17, 1:54  
  From: LARRY SHELDON  
  To: ROBERT HELLER  
  Subj: Re: Trains Magazine--"modern streetcar"   
  From: lfsheldon@gmail.com  
    
  On 7/7/2014 2:36 PM, Robert Heller wrote:  
    
  > I believe that copper is non-conductive. And the phone wires are actually  
  > copper plated steel (for strength). Once the *thin* layer of copper oxizes,  
  > the *steel* wires no longer conduct well. And I guess the whole impedence  
  > rating of the *twisted pair* is blown away as well. Hello massive signal  
  > loss, etc. I also suspect that repeated exposure to water might wash away  
  the  
  > layer of copper oxide. Plus as the cables move in the wind and the  
  shething  
  > rubs against the copper wires, the copper oxide layer is rubbed off,  
  exposing  
  > fresh copper. It is not like we are talking about a solid bar of copper  
  in a  
  > fixed unmoving location. Things are not that simple.  
    
  I believe this is nonsense.  
    
  I believe copper is the second most conductive (least resistive) metal  
  after silver and before gold.  
    
  http://eddy-current.com/conductivity-of-metals-sorted-by-resistivity/  
    
  The only "phone wires" made out of steel to the best of my knowledge is  
  aerial drop wire and the twisted stuff the Army used to use in the  
  field. There are probably a few other special applications where the  
  wire has to support its own weight (which copper is NOT very good  
  at--which is why aerial cable is always hanging from a steel messenger.  
    
  Somebody can check up on me, but I think exchange cable was 24 gauge  
  (0.02 inch) while toll cable was mostly 22 gauge (I say "mostly" because  
  it sticks in my mind that there were things like PGCUs on 20 or even 18  
  gauge wire). If I run across my "Green Brain" I'll check.  
    
  The copper wires inside the cable can't "rub against the sheath"--it is  
  insulated and bundles of pairs are wrapped. The cable is supported by  
  the messenger and there is not a lot of local movement--the whole span  
  may sway a little but where needed, sway breaker minimize the motion--I  
  never heard of a cable failure due to motion.  
    
  The old lead sheaths would crack from the small amount of motion, and  
  the old rings they used to use would wear holes in the sheath, but so  
  far as I know the major causes of sheath failure were squirrels and insects.  
    
  And those holes were a problem, because the insulation around the wires  
  was paper and wet paper has some poor-for-the-task electrical properties.  
    
    
  I don't think copper oxide (in either cupric or cuprous form) is water  
  soluble, but cuprous oxide does make, if I remember correctly, a fine  
  rectifier and might be the first "semiconductor" identified, but not as  
  a desirable property in cables.  
    
    
  The rest of the article here is probably too silly to even bother reading.  
    
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