Mike Scott  writes:  
  > Lawrence D?Oliveiro wrote:  
    
  >> Well, then, you need to put your money where your mouth is, right? If  
  >> your argument hasn?t ?collapsed?, then you need to point out what?s  
  >> holding it up.  Start by explaining why window-arrangement options  
  >> should be reimplemented (often inconsistently) by every single X11  
  >> app, instead of being handled once and for all in the window manager.  
  >  
  > I'm getting muddled here. I've never used Wayland, so please excuse a  
  > probably naive comment.  
  >  
  > Suppose I start a program that pops up a window. Can I put this where  
  > I want on the screen, presumably by a mouse drag'n'drop operation? Can  
  > I raise and lower relative to other windows?  
    
  Yes.  
    
  > If either answer is 'no', I'd question the use of such a system. If  
  > yes, then why not let this be done programmatically and save the user  
  > a probably repetitive task?  
  >  
  > I've seen comments about 'security'; but we live in a real world and  
  > usability and security are IME both tradeoffs. Has Wayland erred on  
  > the too-secure side?  
    
  The thing that Wayland specifically objects to is applications directly  
  controlling the positions of their windows. While there are some  
  security concerns about window placement, there?s a lot more to it than  
  that; see  
  https://www.mail-archive.com/wayland-devel@lists.freedesktop.org/msg41606.  
  html  
  for some discussion.  
    
  That is not inconsistent in principle with the user specifying  
  application window positions, as has already been discussed in this  
  thread.  
    
  Whether any Wayland compositors do in fact support some means for the  
  user to specify the pixel position an application?s window(s) should  
  appear at, I do not know, but AFAIK there?s no fundamental reason they  
  couldn?t.  
    
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