XPost: alt.politics.homosexuality, alt.atheism, alt.gossip.celebrities   
   From: kelseyb@lgisp.net   
      
   [snips]   
      
   On Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:10:34 +0000, LeRoy Blue wrote:   
      
   >>> Don't even attempt to compare your demand for a license to have   
   >>> recreational sex   
   >>   
   >>I don't need a license for that.   
   >>   
   >>> to the plight of  black men and women in their battle for civil   
   >>> rights.   
   >>   
   >>It's the same battle.   
   >   
   >   
   > Really? When did it become possible for a black man change his color?   
      
   Ever heard of Michael Jackson? :)   
      
   Wacko Jacko aside, the assumption is that a black man cannot choose to   
   become white.  Presumably this is true.  He can, however, choose to "act   
   white" - giving rise to epithets such as "oreo".   
      
   So far, the evidence on the matter of gays is completely inconclusive as   
   to their being able to change their orientation[1].  We know of several   
   cases, where through the "help" of others - usually religious nutjobs - a   
   gay person may "convert" - that is, may start to "act straight", but we   
   don't know that his orientation has changed one iota.   
      
   What we do know is that in many cases, the social stigma of "remaining   
   gay" are sufficient that it would be easier to live a false facade - gay   
   on the inside, straight on the outside - than to simply admit being gay.   
      
   If you can show us the tests which conclusively demonstrate that gays   
   have any more ability to change than blacks do, and that the cases of   
   supposed changes are _actual_ changes, rather than simply changes of   
   outward appearance, we'd love to hear about them.  As far as I'm aware,   
   no such tests exist... but your implicit assertion, that a gay can, in   
   fact, change his orientation, requires that such tests exists and have   
   been performed.   
      
   Do please tell us about these tests.  We'd be most interested.   
      
      
      
   [1] Actually, it's not, really.  Thus far we have at best anecdotal   
   evidence of such changes, almost always in situations where the supposed   
   change is at *best* questionably valid.  Seems to suggest the notion of   
   gays "converting" is a crock.   
      
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