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   From: |||newspam|||@nezumi.demon.co.uk   
      
   On 23/10/2013 19:30, amdx wrote:   
   > On 10/23/2013 12:53 PM, Jim Whitby wrote:   
   >> On Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:15:00 +0000, F.O.A.D. wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> amdx  wrote:   
   >>>> I saw Obama on TV, he has ask that we tell others what Obamacare has   
   >>>> meant me.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   I has meant my insurance premium has went up by 44.4% in the last   
   >>>> 17 months. I will see the next increase in May 2014.   
   >>>>   I checked on the price of Obamacare, the silver plan   
   >>>> is comparable in price, but the copay is about $2000 higher then the   
   >>>> $10,000 copay I have.   
   >>>>    Note the low priced policy I had, increased to be as expensive as   
   >>>> Obamacare.   
   >>>>                            Mikek   
   >>>   
   >>> Bullshit.   
      
   It is probably true if you have a health insurance policy that never   
   pays out unless you are missing several major limbs at the same time!   
      
   >> Now that's an interesting and really informative  comment!   
   >> I wonder how you know so much about someone's insurance. Did you write   
   >> the policy for him or steal his mail or ???.   
   >>   
   >> Sounds like typical liberal stuff. Can't compete on facts, so start name   
   >> calling.   
      
   You might be able to afford a £10k hit and most professionals probably   
   could too, but do you not think that the poor deserve access to   
   healthcare or do you prefer to step over them as they die in the gutter?   
      
   America is a great place to be healthy, wealthy and fit, but lose any   
   one of these key components and you will surely lose *all* the others.   
      
   >   I was just on the Obamacare site, They have a new box that you can   
   > click to get prices without signing up. Before you get the prices there   
   > are seven pages with a note telling you that the price doesn't reflect   
   > the price because you may qualify for a subsidy, 7 pages telling you   
   > this! Then when you get the price for the plan, they don't tell you   
   > how high your deductible is.   
   >   Why, because for most people the large deductibles are earth shaking!!!!   
   >   
   > For years when I told people I had a $10,000 deductible they always   
   > thought it was terrible, I thought it was the best plan. Now Obamacare   
   > has found, they  huge deductibles to keep the premiums from being   
   > completely unworkable. And even then they need to subsidize the premiums   
   > for most.   
   >                  Mikek   
   > We have a problem, Obamacare is not the answer.   
      
   Are Americans really so overweight, unfit and hypochondriachal that the   
   only way you can offer universal healthcare is to have insanely high   
   deductables that most working class people cannot possibly afford?   
      
   Most of the ROW manages with deductables ranging from £100 to £5000   
   depending on what you want to opt in for. European health insurance   
   typically gives you the option to PAYG for small items and then caps the   
   drugs cost for long term conditions at £200 pa or thereabouts.   
      
   The whole purpose of a universal healthcare system is that you pay in to   
   have the services available and be glad if you never need them.   
      
   --   
   Regards,   
   Martin Brown   
      
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