XPost: talk.politics.guns, sci.energy   
   From: JW@jw.com   
      
   On 9/28/2021 12:57 AM, Dechucka wrote:   
   > On 28/09/2021 4:39 pm, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >> On 9/27/2021 8:53 PM, Dechucka wrote:   
   >>> On 28/09/2021 11:15 am, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/27/2021 3:25 PM, Dechucka wrote:   
   >>>>> On 28/09/2021 7:12 am, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night.   
   >>>>>>> Go figure   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have   
   >>>>>> power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is the reality. Come on have a think about how this reality is   
   >>>>> achieved.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The reality is probably that you uses solar energy when the sun   
   >>>> is shining, and chemical energy in the form of batteries when   
   >>>> solar energy is unavailable.   
   >>>   
   >>> The reality is that the energy comes from the sun, batteries are a   
   >>> storage mechanism   
   >>   
   >> If you want to play that game, hydroelectric power is only a   
   >> storage mechanism for solar energy.  Wind energy is only a   
   >> storage machanism for solar energy.    Burning anything (wood,   
   >> coal, oil, natural gas, ethanol, whatever) is only a storage   
   >> mechanism for solar energy. From science's explanation of how   
   >> suns and planets are formed, even nuclear energy is only a   
   >> storage mechanism for solar energy.   
   >>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Storage batteries = NOT "totally solar".   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes they are as that is what charges them   
   >>   
   >> Any source of electricity will charge batteries.  I charge the   
   >> batteries in my wireless computer mouse by plugging the mouse   
   >> into a USB port, which draws power from my computer which is   
   >> plugged into an outlet that receives power from my friendly   
   >> regional electric utility, which gets its electricity from   
   >> who knows where.  Battery power is not solar power no matter   
   >> how much you want to rationalize it.>   
   >   
   > Of course solar is the source of power for the batteries. Thanks for a   
   > new but inane argument   
      
   The fact remains, electric power from batteries is not totally solar.   
   >   
   >>>> Storage batteries = chemical energy -> electrical energy. They don't   
   >>>> postpone the use of solar energy, they use electrical   
   >>>> energy which can be from any source to make a chemical reaction.   
   >>>> When you use a battery, another chemical reaction that results   
   >>>> in the release of electrical energy.  None of those processes   
   >>>> involve solar energy.   
   >>>   
   >>> I'll give it a go and disconnect my solar panels from the batteries   
   >>> and see how long this chemical reaction lasts, actually I know it   
   >>> will be 5 days.   
   >>   
   >> During those five days you will get your electricity from a   
   >> chemical reaction, not from the sun.   
   >   
   > A chemical reaction that got it's power from being recharged by the sun   
      
   A chemical reaction that is not totally solar.   
   >>   
   >>> Than I will recharge them from the sun.   
   >>   
   >> Or you could recharge your batteries from a gas-powered generator,   
   >> or you could hook up a car generator to a windmill and use the wind   
   >> to charge your batteries,   
   >   
   > Are wind power is an excellent renewable energy source   
      
   Do you agree that wind power is solar power just as much as   
   is battery power?   
   >   
   >> or connect that generator to a stationary   
   >> bicycle and pedal away until your batteries are charged.   
   >   
   > My emergency radio works like that   
      
   Do you agree that a electricity from a human-powered generator   
   is just as much solar power as is battery power?   
      
   >> However you charge your batteries, when you draw power from   
   >> those batteries it is not solar power, it is chemical energy.   
   >   
   > If you're happy with that inanity so be it   
      
   I acknowledge the science.  So you think science is inane.  Got it.   
      
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