XPost: talk.politics.guns, sci.energy   
   From: JW@jw.com   
      
   On 9/28/2021 10:32 AM, Bob F wrote:   
   > On 9/27/2021 11:56 PM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >> On 9/27/2021 8:30 PM, Bob F wrote:   
   >>> On 9/27/2021 6:17 PM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>> On 9/27/2021 5:00 PM, Bob F wrote:   
   >>>>> On 9/27/2021 2:12 PM, Just Wondering wrote:   
   >>>>>> On 9/27/2021 2:15 PM, Dechucka wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On 28/09/2021 5:57 am, contact wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> When the wind stops blowing, the electricity stops flowing!   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Interesting my house is totally solar and I have power at night.   
   >>>>>>> Go figure   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> We all figure that either "my house is totally solar" or "I have   
   >>>>>> power at night" is a lie, because they can't both be true.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, we do not.   
   >>>>> Yes, they can.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Explain how you get totally solar energy when the sun   
   >>>> is below the horizon.   
   >>>   
   >>> I don't need to play your word games. The energy is solar, with some   
   >>> stored in batteries for later use. It is not hydro, it is not fossil   
   >>> fuel, it is solar.   
   >>   
   >> You could use excess solar power during the day to pump water into an   
   >> uphill pond and use a water-powered generator at night.  We can and do   
   >> use solar energy to grow trees and such that can be burned to power   
   >> electric generators.  Fossil fuel is just wood that has been stored a   
   >> very long time before we burn it to release the stored solar power.   
   >>   
   >> It's not a word game.  Energy stored in batteries literally is   
   >> not solar energy even if electricity generated from solar panels   
   >> is used to charge the batteries.  If you're going to play THAT   
   >> word game, quite literally every energy source in use is stored   
   >> solar energy.  If that's the game you want to play, hydro power   
   >> is stored solar power.  Wind power is stored solar power,  Energy   
   >> from burning any sort of fuel is stored solar power.  Muscle power   
   >> is stored solar power.  Geothermal is stored solar power.  Even   
   >> nuclear is stored solar power.  So if THAT's how you play the   
   >> game, every house on the planet is totally solar.   
   >   
   > The significant issue is that the solar house with batteries is getting   
   > its energy from the sun, not from fossil fuel, reducing it's damage to   
   > the climate from CO2 releases. If it charged the batteries from a coal   
   > power plant, that would not be the case.   
      
   Fossil fuels, and non-fossil combustible fuels (wood, ethanol, etc.)   
   also get their energy from the sun.  If battery chemical energy is   
   solar energy, so is combustion energy.   
      
   But the significant issue is Chuckie's dual claims, that "my   
   house is totally solar" and also "I have power at night".  The   
   only way you can make both statements true is by a definition   
   of solar energy that logically extends to every form of energy   
   on the planet - which makes the definition useless.   
   >   
   > A solar heated house stores thermal energy in thermal mass for use   
   > overnight. A solar powered house can similarly store energy in electric   
   > batteries, or flywheels. They are both solar.   
   >   
   > But of course, common sense seems to mean nothing to you. You   
   > just have to be "right".   
      
   Common sense says that batteries are not solar energy even if   
   you use a photovoltaic cell to charge them.  Common sense says   
   that if you're going to call a battery  solar energy, then you   
   can just as well call wind power or burning weed solar energy too.   
      
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