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|    Jim Wilkins to All    |
|    Re: Emergency, safe, alternative low-bud    |
|    04 Dec 21 10:21:19    |
      From: muratlanne@gmail.com              "ads" wrote in message news:p0vlqglr23e76f65688m0dh3hn39sa1g92@4ax.com...       .........              Some of my AGMs had charging parameters written on the side. I found I       didn't have to monitor them if I stayed within those parameters, which       requires only a voltage adjustable and current limited power supply. The       home made one that works best for me is based on an LM350 regulator. I added       a digital voltage+current meter from Amazon and a Schottky diode in the       output to protect the regulator and its power source from reverse feed from       the battery. A large discharged cap in the supply could cause a heavy surge       current from the battery through the regulator's intrinsic reverse diode.       The caps in my homebrew supplies are 78000uF, bigger than beer cans.              Available meter brands and models change so I didn't reference mine. The 3A       flavor resolves down to 0.1mA which is nice for other testing, the 10A is       good enough for charging larger batteries.              The input supply can be a solar panel or an old 19V laptop supply, etc. For       Dells power is the inner and outer shell rings, the center pin is data that       indicates the brick's wattage. I made a mating connector from hobby store       brass tubing to test them non-destructively.              The LM350 self-limits at around 4A which the 3A version of the digital meter       has survived. I haven't needed adjustable current limiting for this use.       When the AGM reaches full charge at ~14.7V the current drops below 1% of the       A-H rating, for instance 180mA for a 12V 18Ah battery. That's from the spec       sheet, not my experiments. If it doesn't the battery may have a weak cell,       which will soon show up as <12V if you load it though it might not from       charging voltage alone.              A sulfated (high impedance) wet battery may respond to charging at 16-17V.       If so the charging current will slowly rise so a current limit or series       resistance (brake light bulb) is needed. I've read and seen experimentally       that this doesn't work on AGMs, but it's greatly extended the life of U1       tractor batteries. AFAICT the only advantage of pulse desulfating is that       it's inherently (and cheaply) current limited, whereas DC desulfating       requires more care from the user. OTOH the pulse voltage can damage       connected equipment.              An extreme case of this is when a car battery connection vibrates loose       while the alternator is producing full power. The magnetic field in the       rotor winding turns into a high voltage pulse of considerable energy.       https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Load_dump       I built a machine to simulate this for GM and watched it quickly destroy a       prototype fuel injection computer they hadn't hardened well enough to absorb       the rapidly repeated pulses they had requested from my machine because they       couldn't generate them with normal lab equipment. That may have been why       they changed to side terminal batteries. I've built some pretty odd stuff on       special order, projects the degreed engineers wouldn't risk their       reputations on.              With practice you can quickly determine the SOC and condition of a battery       by the charging current it draws as you vary the voltage. I haven't seen       this in print and am not ready yet to write it up, since I don't neglect my       batteries enough to encounter all conditions. My neighbors do so I have a       few data points. I don't think they understand why I'm so happy to mess with       their dead batteries.              The LM350 charger may revive a discharged NiCd or NiMH power tool battery       that an automatic charger rejects. I bought a batch of Lithium cell phone       chargers whose voltage had fallen below the BMS cutoff and used it to       restore most of them.              An LM317 works pretty well too. They self-limit at around half the current.       I was once the tech for the test stations Analog Devices used to confirm       their product met data sheet specs so I know better than to give close       values, some devices were a little better than spec and others were way over       it, depending where they were on the wafer.              At Unitrode rejected IC wafers went into a box that was set out like a       cookie bowl, take what you want. The ink-dotted bad devices formed blotchy       patterns that hopefully revealed correctable nonuniformity in the       fabrication processes. I used rejects to practice the delicate skill of       probing to test them.       jsw              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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