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   From: edmondson@ieee.org   
      
   On Tue, 1 Nov 2011 15:54:29 -0700 (PDT), dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com   
   wrote:   
      
   >On Nov 1, 3:16 pm, "vaughn"  wrote:   
   >> "Jim Yanik"  wrote in message   
   >>   
   >> news:Xns9F908FD35497Djyaniklocalnetcom@216.168.3.44...   
   >>   
   >> > Only idiots use that "other nations do this" argument.   
   >>   
   >> A perfect example of  "argumentum ad hominem".  In short, this is a   
   last-ditch   
   >> show of frustration sometimes used by those who realize that they have lost   
   an   
   >> argument.   
   >>   
   >> (It's also a perfect example of an off-topic thread hijack.)   
   >>   
   >> Vaughn   
   >   
   >ISTM the thread had pretty well morphed where I jumped in, when it had   
   >got to helmet laws and pronouncements on "right-wingers" and such.   
   >   
   >America has the best health care in the world (the best cure rates for   
   >everyone, even poor), it just costs more than it could/should.  Gov't   
   >did that.  Obamacare makes that--our worst problem--worse.   
   >   
   >I could wax on, but I'll refrain from piling on out of respect for   
   >a.e.h.'s more delicate sensibilities.  (We're a randy bunch over here   
   >in s.e.d. :-)   
      
   The basic difficulty is the Other Peoples Money problem.  All of that   
   care is being paid for with OPM, so why not use it more, and charge   
   more for it! It is the same problem I see with our public   
   universities.  Since someone else ultimately pays for it, just charge   
   more, and the insurance companies/government/employer will just make   
   up the difference.  Add on to that ridiculous salaries for   
   administrative paper pushers who have MBAs, not MDs, and you get our   
   present health care system!   
      
   Charlie   
      
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