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   From: Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com   
      
   On 17/09/2021 13:11, The Natural Philosopher wrote:   
   > On 17/09/2021 12:35, Pancho wrote:   
   >> On 17/09/2021 11:43, Rod Speed wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>> North Korea and Iran being obvious examples where they have/would   
   >>>> have utility.   
   >>>   
   >>> And Israel.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Maybe 50 years ago, maybe in the future, but at the moment they are   
   >> the dominant regional power. Additionally, they are protected against   
   >> these weaker enemies by US backing.   
   >>   
   >> I think a lot of the reason Israel and the US suspect Iran of seeking   
   >> nuclear weapons is because it is what they would do in Iran's position.   
   >>   
   >> Personally I'm not so sure. I think the Iranian leadership may think   
   >> differently.   
   >   
   > Well I have quite a lot of interest in Iran - I have known many Iranians   
   > for reasons I do not understand!   
      
   There was the diaspora in 1979.   
      
   I was down the boozer with an Iranian mate a couple of weeks ago and he   
   was telling me with horror how his (English, Catholic) daughter was   
   embracing her Iranian heritage, wanting to wear a head scarf etc. Him   
   going, nooo, we never did that in Iran.   
      
   > - and where the regime is at is using   
   > the West much as nicola sturgeon uses england, as a scapegoat for every   
   > ill the regime has inflicted on the country.   
   >   
   > This comes to a head with the 'Rothschild conspiracy' which maintains   
   > that the Jewish Rothschilds, based in England, are the secret illuminati   
   > that are running the world and pissing on Iran, specifically.   
   >   
   > This is OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT POLICY. And believed by the majority of   
   > Iranians   
   >   
      
   >   
   > To that end it sponsors acts of terrorism to maintain enmity with the   
   > UK, America and Israel in order to say 'look, they are waging war   
   > against us'. It would love to have nuclear weapons to threaten Israel with.   
   >   
      
   I think that is pretty much true and Israel does a bit the same with   
   Iran, presenting them as an existential threat. I think in reality Iran   
   is much more interested in Saudi. Israel hate rhetoric, is just lip   
   service. Something that is free and pleases Muslims across the region.   
      
   I don't see how genuinely threatening Israel benefits Iran, Israel   
   doesn't have anything they want. Much better to be the unfairly abused   
   underdog, to have the bete noir to scare the local plebs into supporting   
   you.   
      
   > And to threaten Britain and the USA with in case we thought of doing a   
   > Desert  storm on them.   
   >   
      
   Exactly, but we won't, not after recent events. So they don't need them.   
      
   > Now having nuclear weapons ourselves is no defence against Iran's   
   > nuclear weapons. Any use of nuclear weapons against Iran would like   
   > arouse sympathy across the islamic diaspora. Use of nuclear weapons by   
   > Iran would receive tacit acclaim across the same diaspora. In fact the   
   > only thing that works against Islamic militancy is total utter public   
   > humiliation.   
      
   I thought total humiliation was the reason for Islamic militancy. They   
   couldn't win in real life so they invent a fairy tale where they are   
   superior.   
      
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