XPost: uk.d-i-y   
   From: Pancho.Dontmaileme@outlook.com   
      
   On 17/09/2021 13:09, Steve Walker wrote:   
   > On 17/09/2021 12:43, Pancho wrote:   
   >> On 17/09/2021 11:33, Steve Walker wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> But subs hide much better. Time taken to arrive is not a problem for   
   >>> a retaliatory weapon though.   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> Do they? With modern equipment. I actually suspect subs are more   
   >> vulnerable to being taken out in a pre-emptive strike. I think the UK   
   >> often has just one operational trident sub.   
   >   
   > Subs are far more hidden than any land-based system.   
      
   Are they? It seems quite possible advance sub tracking could exist now,   
   or in the near future.   
      
      
   At times of high   
   > tension, they will usually arrange for more than one to be at sea at the   
   > same time - indeed this was one of the arguments against the Lib-Dem   
   > proposal to save money by buying fewer.   
   >   
   >> Governments lie about the real reasons to placate the public.   
   >>   
   >> Most of the cash poor nuclear powers rely on mobile land nukes.   
   >> Trains, lorries, multiple geographically distance launch sites. More   
   >> weapons for your money. These are countries which are most likely to   
   >> face a first strike.   
   >   
   > More weapons, but easier to wipe-out pre-emptively.   
      
   Are they? Subs in the open ocean vs a missile launcher vehicle in the   
   interior of a country. Possibly with lots of missile launcher decoys.   
   Sub decoys aren't so cheap..   
      
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