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   From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com   
      
   Pancho  wrote   
   > Rod Speed wrote   
      
   >>> North Korea and Iran being obvious examples where they have/would have   
   >>> utility.   
      
   >> And Israel.   
      
   > Maybe 50 years ago, maybe in the future, but at the moment they are the   
   > dominant regional power.   
      
   But Israel's nukes ensure that no one like Iran will   
   actually be stupid enough to try nuking them.   
      
   Israel's nukes ensure that even if Iran does end up   
   with nukes, that there will only ever be a standoff   
   like there is with India and Pakistan, both with nukes.   
      
   > Additionally, they are protected against these weaker enemies by US   
   > backing.   
      
   Only with conventional war. It is unlikely that the US   
   would nuke Iran if Iran was stupid enough to nuke Israel.   
      
   > I think a lot of the reason Israel and the US suspect Iran of seeking   
   > nuclear weapons is because it is what they would do in Iran's position.   
      
   Yes, but Israeli nukes do ensure that only the most stupid   
   nut case in Iran would be stupid enough nuke Israel.   
      
   And difficult to see that even the most stupid nut case would   
   anyway given all the palestinians so close and in Israel.   
      
   > Personally I'm not so sure. I think the Iranian leadership may think   
   > differently.   
      
   Nope, they think the same that having their own nukes   
   would ensure that Israel would never nuke them.   
      
   That’s why North Korea has nukes but wont be stupid enough to use them.   
      
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