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   From: 72y33@gmail.com   
      
   The Natural Philosopher  wrote   
   > On 17/09/2021 11:58, 72y33 wrote:   
   >> "The Natural Philosopher"  wrote in message   
   >> news:si1rqg$123$2@dont-email.me...   
   >>> On 17/09/2021 11:30, 72y33 wrote:   
   >>>> The Natural Philosopher  wrote   
   >>>>> Pancho wrote   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>> I thought nuclear armed subs were essentially a first strike weapon.   
   >>>>>> They can hide just offshore of the target, reducing warning time to a   
   >>>>>> few minutes.   
   >>>>> That tooo.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ICBMs are just as effective for retaliation, and much cheaper. They   
   >>>>>> can be mobile and so hard to destroy. The problem is they take much   
   >>>>>> longer from launch to arrival and give the target nation time to   
   >>>>>> react to an attack.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The whole point of first strike was to take out fixed icbm sites to   
   >>>>> prevent retaliation   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> But we aren't giving the Aussies nuclear bombs are we? We are just   
   >>>>>> giving them nuclear powered subs.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>> I believe so.   
   >>>>> They are most useful to destroy incoming naval craft  - the chinese   
   >>>>> dont want to bomb Taiwan, or Australia - they want to annex it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There is no possibility of China annexing Australia.   
   >>   
   >>> Every possibility I would say   
   >>   
   >> More fool you...   
      
   > wow. You START with an ad hominem!   
      
   That’s not an ad hominem, it’s a turn of phrase.   
      
   >> - Australia is not very heavily populated.   
   >>> And is not very defensible.   
   >>   
   >> That is mindless bullshit.   
   >   
   > And carry on with insults without addressing the basic point,   
      
   I did address the basic point, at the bottom.   
      
   > that the north of Australia is huge and empty,   
      
   More mindless pig ignorant bullshit particularly   
   with the east and west coasts.   
      
   > and there is nothing there to stop chinese landing craft waltzing in,   
   > apart from submarines..   
      
   More mindless pig ignorant bullshit with the airforce.   
      
   >>> And is full of pacifists who would probably   
   >>> welcome them with open arms   
      
   >> More mindless bullshit.   
      
   > More insults and ad hominems.   
      
   Nope, statement of fact in that case.   
      
   > And complete lack of rational arguments   
      
   And that is a bare faced lie with Afghanistan.   
      
   >>>> Even the USA doesn’t have what it takes to do that.   
   >>>   
   >>> Course it does.   
   >>   
   >> Fraid not. No possibility of holding it.   
      
   > No possibility of retaking it. How many men did it take to   
   >   
   > (a) take   
   > (b) retake the falklands?   
      
   Pity about Afghanistan.   
      
   >> They couldn’t even manage that with Afghanistan.   
   >>   
   > They didn't even try   
      
   Bullshit. They would never stay forever.   
      
   > And the Afghans are far more likely to resist invasion than limp wristed   
   > latte drinking urban hipster Australians   
      
   More mindless bullshit.   
      
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