XPost: uk.d-i-y   
   From: rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com   
      
   Pancho  wrote   
   > Steve Walker wrote   
   >> Pancho wrote   
   >>> Steve Walker wrote   
      
   >>>> But subs hide much better. Time taken to arrive is not a problem for a   
   >>>> retaliatory weapon though.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>> Do they? With modern equipment. I actually suspect subs are more   
   >>> vulnerable to being taken out in a pre-emptive strike. I think the UK   
   >>> often has just one operational trident sub.   
   >>   
   >> Subs are far more hidden than any land-based system.   
      
   > Are they?   
      
   Yep.   
      
   > It seems quite possible advance sub tracking could exist now, or in the   
   > near future.   
      
   Nope, how do you propose that would be done ?   
      
   It just isn't feasible to do it with a huge raft of audio   
   signature recording devices and trivial to keep track   
   of them notifying home when they see your sub go by.   
      
   Not feasible to detect the magnetic anomaly going   
   by with a satellite either. If that was possible, no one   
   would be bothering with the very high cost of nuke   
   firing subs.   
      
   > At times of high   
   >> tension, they will usually arrange for more than one to be at sea at the   
   >> same time - indeed this was one of the arguments against the Lib-Dem   
   >> proposal to save money by buying fewer.   
   >>   
   >>> Governments lie about the real reasons to placate the public.   
   >>>   
   >>> Most of the cash poor nuclear powers rely on mobile land nukes. Trains,   
   >>> lorries, multiple geographically distance launch sites. More weapons for   
   >>> your money. These are countries which are most likely to face a first   
   >>> strike.   
   >>   
   >> More weapons, but easier to wipe-out pre-emptively.   
   >   
   > Are they?   
      
   Yep, because its easy to work out where they are.   
      
   > Subs in the open ocean vs a missile launcher vehicle in the interior of a   
   > country. Possibly with lots of missile launcher decoys.   
      
   How odd that we haven't seen anyone doing that and   
   they aren't a useful decoy if they haven't been seen.   
      
   > Sub decoys aren't so cheap..   
      
   But are much harder to keep track of.   
      
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