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|    Dimitris Tzortzakakis to All    |
|    Re: It's Too Hot For EVs To Work Right    |
|    29 Jul 23 15:09:42    |
      XPost: alt.energy.automobile, rec.autos.driving, alt.global-warming       From: noone@nospam.com              Στις 22/7/2023 9:54 μ.μ., ο/η Leroy N. Soetoro έγραψε:       > https://jalopnik.com/its-too-hot-for-evs-to-work-right-1850663950       >       > The heat wave affecting much of the U.S. may be causing electric vehicles       > to lose nearly a third of their range.       >       > We already knew electric vehicles don’t do so well when it gets really       > cold outside. Well, apparently they don’t really like extreme heat either.       > According to Automotive News, the recent heat wave across much of the       > Southern and Western U.S. has brought their range issue to the forefront.       >       > A Seattle-based EV battery and range analytics company called Recurrent       > has reportedly tested thousands of vehicles in various weather conditions.       > It found that many vehicles experienced “significant declines” in their       > range as temperatures rose. Some apparently suffered a 31 percent drop       > when temps got about 100 degrees Fahrenheit. That is less than ideal. At       > cooler temperatures, the outlet reports that the range loss wasn’t as       > high. There was an average of 5 percent reduction at 90 degrees and 2.8       > percent at 80, so it’s definitely not linear.       >       > Auto News says that in order to calculate these average temperatures,       > Recurrent used a blend of data from the 17,000 vehicles the company keeps       > track of. This data includes 65 EVs and plug-in hybrid models that include       > mainstays like Tesla’s entire lineup, the Chevy Bolt EV, Hyundai Konda,       > Nissan Leaf, Ford F-150 Lightning and Mustang Mach-E.       >       > Unfortunately, we don’t know which models did the worst in terms of range       > loss. However, Recurrent did say that all four of Tesla’s vehicles had the       > smallest range degradation, but they also had the widest gap between their       > real-world range and the EPA’s estimates. Part of the reason for their       > resistance to range loss may be because of their heat pumps, Recurrent’s       > CEO Scott Case told AutoNews. They’re apparently much more efficient at       > cooling than standard automotive air conditioners.       >       > The outlet also spoke with Greg Less, the technical director of the       > University of Michigan Battery Lab. He explained that range decline from       > heat has its roots in battery chemistry.       >       > “Once you’re above [104 degrees Fahrenheit] you start to have a breakdown       > of the passive emission layer on the anode, and that breakdown will then       > cause consumption of the liquid electrolyte, which will shorten the       > lifetime of your battery,” Less told the outlet.       >       > Luckily for EV owners, he doesn’t think the excessive heat will damage EV       > batteries long term. That’s because they aren’t always driven in 100+       > degree weather, and EVs have a fairly robust system to cool batteries.       >       > From what Less says, it sounds like high temperatures aren’t the direct       > cause of range degradation. It’s got more to do with the fact they use       > more electricity to run stuff in that sort of weather.       >       > “You’re running the fan harder, you’re running the refrigerant faster.       All       > of these things take more electricity,” Less said to Auto News. “So       that’s       > going to reduce the range.”       >       > if the EVs are our best hope for the climate change, we're screwed!              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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