XPost: alt.support.boy-lovers, alt.hackers.malicious, alt.support.incest   
   XPost: rec.nude, alt.anytown, alt.fan.goons   
   From: user@example.net   
      
   On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:27:55 -0400, 4s00th <4s00th@hushmail.com>   
   wrote:   
      
   >On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 02:07:29 -0700, Brandon D Cartwright   
   > wrote:   
   >   
   >>On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:39:25 -0400, 4s00th <4s00th@hushmail.com>   
   >>wrote:   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>>>They are symptoms of a psychiatric illness that should be treated at   
   >>>>the earliest possible stage.   
   >>>   
   >>>Says someone who is not qualified to discuss psychiatric or   
   >>>psychological conditions.   
   >>   
   >>And you know this how?   
   >   
   >By your own statements, by the fact that when you post information   
   >about pedophilia as a psychological condition, you don't even   
   >understand what you post.   
   >   
   >>Coming someone who presents,at least on Usenet, as an excellent   
   >>candidate for treatment that would be almost funny if it wasn't so   
   >>sad.   
   >>   
   >>How can you expect to lead others to renounce active pedophilic   
   >>activity if you won't get treatment yourself?   
   >   
   >And what makes you think I'm not in treatment or that I have never   
   >been in treatment?   
      
   Because when I suggested it to you the rely was along the lines of you   
   are what you are and nothing will alter that?   
      
   >   
   >While your post regarding the prognosis of treatment for pedophiles   
   >states that the prognosis is good for people who show insight into   
   >their self, their past and their condition, what it does not say is   
   >that treatment does not stop the feelings or desires commonly called   
   >pedophilia -- treatment is aimed at teaching the individual to accept   
   >that he has these feelings that he cannot act upon and to learn to   
   >control his behaviors so that he does not commit any sexual offenses   
   >against children.   
      
      
      
   IOW reliance must be placed upon the defective moral system   
   responsible for the breakdown in inhibitions in the first instance.   
      
   >   
   >You'll note that under treatment, the post you made notes that   
   >chemical castration has shown mixed results. In the first place, it   
   >doesn't always work in stopping or controlling sexual desire, and it   
   >doesn't always work in preventing the person from becoming sexually   
   >aroused.   
      
   True...surgical castration  seems a far safer bet   
      
      
   >In the second place, it is aimed at stopping sexual desire,   
   >but sexual desire is only a component of pedophilia for some people.   
      
   Agreed it might ,in fact, make any sado-masochistic   
   component worse.   
      
      
   >As I have pointed out in the past, it cannot stop romantic desires or   
   >desires for companionship -- and that is a large part of those who   
   >prefer the term "boy-lover" to "pedophile." You present a picture of   
   >the pedophile as simply seeking sex, and there certainly are   
   >pedophiles who fall into that category. However, there are a lot of us   
   >who are NOT primarily interested in sex, or certainly not solely   
   >interested in sex. We also have romantic feelings for boys.   
      
   So why does the idea of sodomizing young boys ever have to arise?   
   Why the child pornography or child erotica?   
      
   Society provides many opportunities for companionship without a   
   sexual component.   
      
   Many teachers and youth workers love their charges without ever   
   dreaming of sucking their penis or sodomizing them.   
      
   >Many of us   
   >prefer the company of boys over the company of anyone else -- even   
   >without any possibility of sex. As I have also noted, one doesn't need   
   >to get an erection to perform some sexual acts, so chemical castration   
   >-- or even physical castration does not prevent sex, especially in   
   >someone who is more concerned with the pleasure of his/her partner   
   >than they are in their own.   
      
   True..pedophiles who get their kicks caning and torturing young   
   children could even be made worse I suspect.   
      
      
   >   
   >Since you fail to recognize that the treatment goals in psychiatric or   
   >psychological treatment of pedophilia is to control one's behavior   
   >rather than your idea that treatment can somehow magically stop one   
   >from feeling sexual attraction to children;   
      
      
   I don't think any such thing.   
      
   The history of treatments for pedophiles is a history of repeated   
   failure,which is why preventative detention is the preferred solution.   
      
      
   > since you continue to call   
   >for chemical castration as well as your insults regarding physical   
   >castration without regard to the fact that they have only shown mixed   
   >results at best; and since you fail to see that my goals here of   
   >helping people accept their feelings and learn to live with them   
   >without harming others is, in fact, the only possible treatment for   
   >pedophilia -- at least, at present; I can only conclude that you are   
   >not qualified to discuss psychiatric or psychological conditions and   
   >their treatment. More importantly, you are certainly not qualified to   
   >discuss the paraphilias.   
      
   Hmmmm...in short   
      
   > since you fail to see that my goals....... is, in fact, the only possible   
   treatment for   
   >pedophilia...  I can only conclude that you are   
   >not qualified to discuss psychiatric or psychological conditions   
      
   Your logic is a tad narcissistic don't you think?   
      
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