XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered   
   XPost: alt.support.depression   
   From: jeo@somewhere.org   
      
   On 2022-02-15 13:37, KWills wrote:   
   > On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:11:00 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2022-02-15 11:42, KWills wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:13:23 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2022-02-15 09:18, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:15:17 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2022-02-14 21:29, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:00:54 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 2022-02-14 13:29, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:52:52 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-14 12:22, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:21:02 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about the logic I have shown in the above.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's flawed.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what God allows or ignores is entirely up to God.    
   What is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reserved for Heaven may not be appropriate for Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that God's law is conditional depending on   
   whether it's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> applied to heaven or earth? Where is the justice in that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> How God applies God's law is up to Him.  Is that too difficult to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing difficult to understand. It's called justice. Is it   
   difficult to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> understand justice?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Justice for those who have graduated to Heaven is different from   
   >>>>>>>>>>> justice handed out on Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. It's the same God's law.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> He can hand it out how He chooses.  Do you expect Him to give people   
   >>>>>>>>> in Hell justice?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> According to the truth, absolutely.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> What does that even mean?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's justice based on truth. Is there anything wrong about that?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It's meaningless, that's what's wrong with it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Not to me. Why is it meaningless to you?   
   >>>   
   >>> It's just a word salad with no meaning.   
   >>   
   >> That only shows your own ignorance.   
   >   
   > No, it doesn't.  It shows your meaningless wordplay.   
      
   You are the one playing with the ignorant word salad in your head.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>> It's why no one can complain about   
   >>>>>>>> God's judgment.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Tell that to the people in Hell.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> They can't deny the truth, so they have to accept the judgment.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Without complaining?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> There is nothing to complain since it's the rightful punishment for   
   >>>> their crime.   
   >>>   
   >>> Perhaps some were seeking forgiveness which He never gave them?   
   >>   
   >> Asking forgiveness isn't enough. One has to repent first before one can   
   >> stand before God asking for anything. An unrepented sinner can't even   
   >> stand before God let alone asking for anything.   
   >   
   > Most who ask for forgiveness DO repent, knowing that.  And STILL end   
   > up in Hell.   
      
   That is not possible. Repented sinner would never commit crime to fall   
   in hell. The crime is the evidence of the sinner's unrepentance.   
      
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>       Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Heaven?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Because it's God's grace and precious gift of life.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> And if it was the same as Earth, as you seem to suggest, why would   
   >>>>>>>>> anyone give a shit?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It isn't the same as the fallen Earth. It's the infallible heavenly   
   life.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> And it works by different rules than Earth.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> God's law is always the same to everyone.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Prove it.  A Supreme Being can, by definition, do whatever He wants   
   >>>>> wherever He wants...or not at all.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's the requirement of justice. Justice requires the law equally   
   >>>> applied to all.   
   >>>   
   >>> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He wants.  If He   
   >>> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.   
   >>   
   >> That's only your imagination.   
   >   
   > That's what omnipotence is all about.   
      
   Only according to your imagination.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>             God is omnipotent, He can do whatever the   
   fuck He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants, wherever He wants.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing bad things is not being omnipotent. Omnipotence   
   means there is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no bad thing possible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotence means *anything* is possible.  That's what   
   'omni' means!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since God is good, omnipotence means God has made all   
   things good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there is no bad thing left.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet lots of bad things abound.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have nothing to do with God.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they do.  He didn't stop them happening, did He?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know that. That is only your presumption.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> If He had stopped them happening, they wouldn't have happened,   
   would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> they?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly why there is no sin or evil in heaven.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Because God exercises His powers in Heaven in a way He doesn't do   
   on   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Earth!   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Pure speculation.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Far from it.  In Heaven, we are taught that all is Good.  Not so on   
   >>>>>>>>> Earth.  Same God, different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Heaven is good but not because of different rules.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> God has MADE Heaven good...unlike Earth.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Not according to the Bible. The Bible says God made the Earth good.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Didn't last long, did it?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Actually, the fall of man didn't happen long.   
   >>>   
   >>> It's been happening since the Garden of Eden incident.   
   >>   
   >> It's merely a blip in the history of life.   
   >   
   > The incident with the Apple was only the first of MILLIONS of similar   
   > sinful incidents.  It was NOT a one off.   
      
   I was talking about the nearly three thousand years blip. It's nothing   
   comparing with the eternal life in heaven.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is like the sun,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and evil is like the darkness of the night. Whenever there is   
   the sun,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> there can't be the darkness of the night.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet the darkness of the night inevitably follows the light   
   of day.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> The sun will always shine.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
      
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