XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered   
   XPost: alt.support.depression   
   From: jeo@somewhere.org   
      
   On 2022-02-15 22:03, KWills wrote:   
   > On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:56:33 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2022-02-15 17:19, KWills wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. It's the same God's law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> He can hand it out how He chooses.  Do you expect Him to give   
   people   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> in Hell justice?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> According to the truth, absolutely.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> What does that even mean?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's justice based on truth. Is there anything wrong about that?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's meaningless, that's what's wrong with it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Not to me. Why is it meaningless to you?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It's just a word salad with no meaning.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That only shows your own ignorance.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> No, it doesn't.  It shows your meaningless wordplay.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You are the one playing with the ignorant word salad in your head.   
   >>>   
   >>> The word salad was your creation not mine.   
   >>   
   >> It's only word salad to the clueless.   
   >   
   > It's word salad written BY the clueless.   
      
   Only the clueless would call it word salad.   
      
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It's why no one can complain about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> God's judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the people in Hell.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> They can't deny the truth, so they have to accept the judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Without complaining?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> There is nothing to complain since it's the rightful punishment for   
   >>>>>>>> their crime.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Perhaps some were seeking forgiveness which He never gave them?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Asking forgiveness isn't enough. One has to repent first before one can   
   >>>>>> stand before God asking for anything. An unrepented sinner can't even   
   >>>>>> stand before God let alone asking for anything.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Most who ask for forgiveness DO repent, knowing that.  And STILL end   
   >>>>> up in Hell.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That is not possible. Repented sinner would never commit crime to fall   
   >>>> in hell. The crime is the evidence of the sinner's unrepentance.   
   >>>   
   >>> The repentance comes after the crime, but perhaps too late to get His   
   >>> forgiveness.   
   >>   
   >> Repentance is never the easy way out for any crime. True repentance is   
   >> based on the complete commitment to pay for the crime fully.   
   >   
   > How would someone do that if they're already in Hell?   
      
   It's called paying for the crime committed.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>         Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it's God's grace and precious gift of life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> And if it was the same as Earth, as you seem to suggest, why   
   would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone give a shit?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't the same as the fallen Earth. It's the infallible   
   heavenly life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> And it works by different rules than Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> God's law is always the same to everyone.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Prove it.  A Supreme Being can, by definition, do whatever He wants   
   >>>>>>>>> wherever He wants...or not at all.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It's the requirement of justice. Justice requires the law equally   
   >>>>>>>> applied to all.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He wants.  If He   
   >>>>>>> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That's only your imagination.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That's what omnipotence is all about.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Only according to your imagination.   
   >>>   
   >>> That is how omnipotence is DEFINED.   
   >>   
   >> That's more of your imagination.   
   >   
   > You have a better definition?   
      
   It has nothing to do with omnipotence. It's about justice.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>               God is omnipotent, He can do whatever   
   the fuck He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants, wherever He wants.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing bad things is not being omnipotent.   
   Omnipotence means there is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no bad thing possible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotence means *anything* is possible.  That's what   
   'omni' means!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since God is good, omnipotence means God has made all   
   things good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there is no bad thing left.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet lots of bad things abound.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have nothing to do with God.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they do.  He didn't stop them happening, did He?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know that. That is only your presumption.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If He had stopped them happening, they wouldn't have   
   happened, would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly why there is no sin or evil in heaven.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because God exercises His powers in Heaven in a way He doesn't   
   do on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure speculation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Far from it.  In Heaven, we are taught that all is Good.  Not so   
   on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth.  Same God, different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven is good but not because of different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> God has MADE Heaven good...unlike Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Not according to the Bible. The Bible says God made the Earth good.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Didn't last long, did it?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Actually, the fall of man didn't happen long.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It's been happening since the Garden of Eden incident.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's merely a blip in the history of life.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The incident with the Apple was only the first of MILLIONS of similar   
   >>>>> sinful incidents.  It was NOT a one off.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I was talking about the nearly three thousand years blip. It's nothing   
   >>>> comparing with the eternal life in heaven.   
   >>>   
   >>> But Heaven was, by definition, created at the same time as Earth   
   >>> (Genesis).  Sin will continue on Earth for as long as Heaven exists.   
   >>   
   >> Sin is only an illusion. It never existed.   
   >   
   > Sin is all around us.  It exists and it's REAL.   
      
   Only because people are deceived.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God is like the sun,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and evil is like the darkness of the night. Whenever there   
   is the sun,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there can't be the darkness of the night.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet the darkness of the night inevitably follows the   
   light of day.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The sun will always shine.   
      
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