XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered   
   XPost: alt.support.depression   
   From: jeo@somewhere.org   
      
   On 2022-02-16 08:10, KWills wrote:   
   > On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:22:57 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2022-02-15 22:03, KWills wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:56:33 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2022-02-15 17:19, KWills wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. It's the same God's law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can hand it out how He chooses.  Do you expect Him to give   
   people   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Hell justice?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to the truth, absolutely.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that even mean?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It's justice based on truth. Is there anything wrong about that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> It's meaningless, that's what's wrong with it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Not to me. Why is it meaningless to you?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's just a word salad with no meaning.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> That only shows your own ignorance.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> No, it doesn't.  It shows your meaningless wordplay.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You are the one playing with the ignorant word salad in your head.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The word salad was your creation not mine.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's only word salad to the clueless.   
   >>>   
   >>> It's word salad written BY the clueless.   
   >>   
   >> Only the clueless would call it word salad.   
   >   
   > Only the clueless would 'write' such a word salad.   
      
   So says the clueless.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's why no one can complain about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God's judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the people in Hell.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> They can't deny the truth, so they have to accept the judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Without complaining?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> There is nothing to complain since it's the rightful punishment for   
   >>>>>>>>>> their crime.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Perhaps some were seeking forgiveness which He never gave them?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Asking forgiveness isn't enough. One has to repent first before one   
   can   
   >>>>>>>> stand before God asking for anything. An unrepented sinner can't even   
   >>>>>>>> stand before God let alone asking for anything.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Most who ask for forgiveness DO repent, knowing that.  And STILL end   
   >>>>>>> up in Hell.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That is not possible. Repented sinner would never commit crime to fall   
   >>>>>> in hell. The crime is the evidence of the sinner's unrepentance.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> The repentance comes after the crime, but perhaps too late to get His   
   >>>>> forgiveness.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Repentance is never the easy way out for any crime. True repentance is   
   >>>> based on the complete commitment to pay for the crime fully.   
   >>>   
   >>> How would someone do that if they're already in Hell?   
   >>   
   >> It's called paying for the crime committed.   
   >   
   > For eternity.  So much for God's love and forgiveness, then.   
      
   No. It's based on the justice of God's law.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it's God's grace and precious gift of life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if it was the same as Earth, as you seem to suggest, why   
   would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone give a shit?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't the same as the fallen Earth. It's the infallible   
   heavenly life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> And it works by different rules than Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> God's law is always the same to everyone.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.  A Supreme Being can, by definition, do whatever He wants   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wherever He wants...or not at all.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's the requirement of justice. Justice requires the law equally   
   >>>>>>>>>> applied to all.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He wants.  If He   
   >>>>>>>>> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> That's only your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That's what omnipotence is all about.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Only according to your imagination.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> That is how omnipotence is DEFINED.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's more of your imagination.   
   >>>   
   >>> You have a better definition?   
   >>   
   >> It has nothing to do with omnipotence. It's about justice.   
   >   
   > When you have omnipotence, you can do whatever the fuck you like with   
   > justice.  God has it.   
      
   Allowing evil is not omnipotence. It's the exact opposite omnipotence.   
      
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                God is omnipotent, He can do   
   whatever the fuck He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants, wherever He wants.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing bad things is not being omnipotent.   
   Omnipotence means there is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no bad thing possible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotence means *anything* is possible.  That's   
   what 'omni' means!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since God is good, omnipotence means God has made all   
   things good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there is no bad thing left.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet lots of bad things abound.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have nothing to do with God.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they do.  He didn't stop them happening, did   
   He?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know that. That is only your presumption.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If He had stopped them happening, they wouldn't have   
   happened, would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly why there is no sin or evil in heaven.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because God exercises His powers in Heaven in a way He   
   doesn't do on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure speculation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Far from it.  In Heaven, we are taught that all is Good.  Not   
   so on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth.  Same God, different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven is good but not because of different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> God has MADE Heaven good...unlike Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Not according to the Bible. The Bible says God made the Earth   
   good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Didn't last long, did it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Actually, the fall of man didn't happen long.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> It's been happening since the Garden of Eden incident.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It's merely a blip in the history of life.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The incident with the Apple was only the first of MILLIONS of similar   
   >>>>>>> sinful incidents.  It was NOT a one off.   
   >>>>>>   
      
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