XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered   
   XPost: alt.support.depression   
   From: jeo@somewhere.org   
      
   On 2022-02-16 15:05, KWills wrote:   
   > On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:57:13 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2022-02-16 08:10, KWills wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:22:57 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2022-02-15 22:03, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:56:33 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2022-02-15 17:19, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. It's the same God's law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can hand it out how He chooses.  Do you expect Him to   
   give people   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Hell justice?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to the truth, absolutely.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that even mean?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's justice based on truth. Is there anything wrong about that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's meaningless, that's what's wrong with it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Not to me. Why is it meaningless to you?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> It's just a word salad with no meaning.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That only shows your own ignorance.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't.  It shows your meaningless wordplay.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You are the one playing with the ignorant word salad in your head.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The word salad was your creation not mine.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's only word salad to the clueless.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It's word salad written BY the clueless.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Only the clueless would call it word salad.   
   >>>   
   >>> Only the clueless would 'write' such a word salad.   
   >>   
   >> So says the clueless.   
   >   
   > Yes, you just did.   
      
   You are the clueless to what I said.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's why no one can complain about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God's judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the people in Hell.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> They can't deny the truth, so they have to accept the judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Without complaining?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing to complain since it's the rightful punishment   
   for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> their crime.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps some were seeking forgiveness which He never gave them?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Asking forgiveness isn't enough. One has to repent first before one   
   can   
   >>>>>>>>>> stand before God asking for anything. An unrepented sinner can't   
   even   
   >>>>>>>>>> stand before God let alone asking for anything.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Most who ask for forgiveness DO repent, knowing that.  And STILL end   
   >>>>>>>>> up in Hell.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> That is not possible. Repented sinner would never commit crime to fall   
   >>>>>>>> in hell. The crime is the evidence of the sinner's unrepentance.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> The repentance comes after the crime, but perhaps too late to get His   
   >>>>>>> forgiveness.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Repentance is never the easy way out for any crime. True repentance is   
   >>>>>> based on the complete commitment to pay for the crime fully.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How would someone do that if they're already in Hell?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's called paying for the crime committed.   
   >>>   
   >>> For eternity.  So much for God's love and forgiveness, then.   
   >>   
   >> No. It's based on the justice of God's law.   
   >   
   > Where's the justice in eternal damnation?   
      
   Eternal damnation is based on the eternal forsaking and abandonment of   
   God. It's the result of the eternal loss of the ability to believe in   
   God again.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>           Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it's God's grace and precious gift of life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if it was the same as Earth, as you seem to suggest, why   
   would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone give a shit?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't the same as the fallen Earth. It's the infallible   
   heavenly life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it works by different rules than Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> God's law is always the same to everyone.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.  A Supreme Being can, by definition, do whatever He   
   wants   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wherever He wants...or not at all.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> It's the requirement of justice. Justice requires the law equally   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> applied to all.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He wants.  If He   
   >>>>>>>>>>> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That's only your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> That's what omnipotence is all about.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Only according to your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> That is how omnipotence is DEFINED.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> That's more of your imagination.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You have a better definition?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It has nothing to do with omnipotence. It's about justice.   
   >>>   
   >>> When you have omnipotence, you can do whatever the fuck you like with   
   >>> justice.  God has it.   
   >>   
   >> Allowing evil is not omnipotence. It's the exact opposite omnipotence.   
   >   
   > Omnipotence means allowing or disallowing anything the fuck you want.   
      
   Evil is not an ability. Evil is the result of disability. It has nothing   
   to do with God's omnipotence.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                 God is omnipotent, He can do   
   whatever the fuck He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants, wherever He wants.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing bad things is not being omnipotent.   
   Omnipotence means there is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no bad thing possible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotence means *anything* is possible.  That's   
   what 'omni' means!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since God is good, omnipotence means God has made   
   all things good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there is no bad thing left.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet lots of bad things abound.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have nothing to do with God.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they do.  He didn't stop them happening, did   
   He?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know that. That is only your presumption.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If He had stopped them happening, they wouldn't have   
   happened, would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly why there is no sin or evil in heaven.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because God exercises His powers in Heaven in a way He   
   doesn't do on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth!   
      
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