XPost: alt.support.boy-lovers, alt.hackers.malicious, alt.support.incest
XPost: rec.nude, alt.funnytown, alt.fan.goons
From: user@example.net
On Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:23:27 -0400, 4s00th <4s00th@hushmail.com>
wrote:
>On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 13:43:29 -0700, Brandon D Cartwright
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 11:21:16 -0400, 4s00th <4s00th@hushmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 23 Oct 2007 00:17:18 -0700, Brandon D Cartwright
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 21:14:48 -0400, 4s00th <4s00th@hushmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007 23:52:02 GMT, "Zareth"
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The fact that a child either six OR nine is even thinking sex is a sign
that
>>>>>>something is very fucked up in that home. Honestly, for fuck sake....what
>>>>>>fucking parenting!!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>I realize that you were drug into this argument by idiots who hope
>>>>>that someone will see them and either be indignant that people even
>>>>>discuss such things or that someone will be able to supply the
>>>>>intelligence that they lack, but you're way off base here. If you
>>>>>think that a nine-year-old girl and an eleven-year-old boy wouldn't
>>>>>try to play a game of "doctor" or "house" or "mommy & daddy" that
>>>>>involves some kind of sex play, then you're truly ignorant of
>>>>>children. Not that they would call it sex -- and not that it would be
>>>>>sex in the adult sense of the word.
>>>>
>>>>It was sex in both the adult and legal sense and had he been caught he
>>>>would undoubtedly have been incarcerated.
>>>
>>>An 11-year-old would have been incarcerated? Bwa ha ha ha ha! He would
>>>have had his little ass tanned, but incarcerated? What planet do you
>>>come from?
>>
>>Planet earth where if older boys are caught sexually abusing six year
>>old girls they get treatment.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>> And it doesn't have anything to do
>>>>>with parenting. Kids are always trying things that they know their
>>>>>parents wouldn't want them to do. It's probably in the job description
>>>>>for "kid!"
>>>>
>>>>The guy grew up to be a parent that made dinner for adults while they
>>>>fucked his eleven year old daughter in her bedroom
>>>
>>>I'm not speaking to that -
>>
>>I'll bet you are not.
>
>It's not my fight -- and it's nothing I knew about until YOU
>trollishly dragged people in here who do not necessarily belong here;
>and, it's not something I would have ever endorsed, supported or
>approved of.
>
>>>- that has nothing whatsoever to do with
>>>kids playing "doctor." If it did, then most people would be doing the
>>>same thing because the number of kids who play "doctor" is a clear
>>>majority of the population. Possibly even a quorum.
>>
>>Nobody was playing doctor.
>>You gloss over (or to be fair might not know) that Walz was *already*
>>sexually experienced and had been for years before he had sex with the
>>six year old.
>
>And I was already "sexually experienced" when I was playing "doctor"
>with some of my own age-mates as a child. That doesn't make it SEX.
>
>>>
>>>>>If you're a parent, you're not stupid enough to believe that your kid
>>>>>won't jump off of the roof with an umbrella JUST because you told him
>>>>>not to -- or, at least, you ought not be that stupid! You can't afford
>>>>>to be so silly as to think your precious will not try to jump his/her
>>>>>younger sibling with his/'her bike just because you told them not to!
>>>>>And then you better remember to tell them not to try it with a
>>>>>skateboard or inline skates or anything else like that, too! And then
>>>>>you'd better keep an eye and an ear open!
>>>>
>>>>You seem to feel qualified to lecture parents on parenting.
>>>>
>>>>Have you actually raised any kids?
>>>
>>>No. Unlike most people, I am far too responsible to put myself into a
>>>situation that would be dangerous for myself and any kid. To
>>>paraphrase Keanu Reeves in the movie Parenthood, "You have to have a
>>>license to have a dog. Hell, you have to have a license to fish, but
>>>any old son of a bitch in the world can be a parent."
>>>
>>>What I do know is kids. And here I have a distinct advantage in not
>>>being a parent -- they have always trusted me and accepted me as one
>>>of THEM.
>>
>>That IMHO is the essence of pedophile ontology.
>
>Please, you've never considered your own opinion humble and lying
>about it only makes you look more ridiculous.
Of course I must be humble and defer to your experience of *being* a
pedophile.
For normal folk the idea that deviants exist that find toddlers and
pre-teens sexually attractive is incomprehensible and terrifying.
>
>And the only thing that it is an essence of is being trusted and
>accepted, wanted and included.
>
>>>That worked pretty well, since they would usually tell me
>>>what they were planning to do, and if it were something that would get
>>>someone hurt, I could suggest an alternative that would work just as
>>>well without anyone getting hurt -- except for their pride, that is!
>>
>>IOW instead of being an adult you attempted to take the role of an
>>older more experienced child..yes?
>
>I didn't attempt to take any kind of role -- I was their friend; an
>adult who treated them as real people and equals. To some, that placed
>me in the category of a "big brother," to others, a father figure, but
>to all of them, a friend.
>
>>>Rather than telling kids, "You can't do that!" I'd just say, yeah, but
>>>you know, if you ..." or "You know, I remember one time when someone
>>>got obnoxious, so we just ...." On one occasion, instead of getting
>>>the shit beat out of him, the guys took pity on him because he cried
>>>and begged them not to throw him in the lake! On another, instead of
>>>getting his lip busted, a kid woke up in a wet sleeping bag thinking
>>>that he had wet it. For a while, at least, he was a humble Tigger --
>>>and no one got hurt.
>>
>>Being a Peter Pan means never having to be responsible or being the
>>"bad guy".
>
>No one likes to be the bad guy, but that doesn't mean I didn't know
>how to set limits. And the fact that I was their friend and that I
>only pulled out the "leader" card when it was absolutely necessary
>meant that they didn't want to disappoint me when I had to use it.
>They might not like it when I had to put my foot down, but they knew I
>only did so when it was necessary, and they never considered me the
>bad guy for doing so.
>
>>>And you know what? The nicest things that I've ever heard in my entire
>>>life were, "I wish you were my Dad!" (from 2 boys) and "Are you a
>>>daddy? You feel like a daddy." (And, for the record, he meant "feel"
>>>in the sense of "seem.")
>>
>>Of course..
>>
>>If you were a real parent you would find it necessary to thwart the
>>child's will on occasions instead of pandering to it.
>
>And when that was necessary, that's what I did. They never forgot that
>I was "adult supervision," or that I was in charge. In fact, there
>were plenty of times that they came to me BECAUSE I was "adult
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