XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered   
   XPost: alt.support.depression   
   From: jeo@somewhere.org   
      
   On 2022-02-15 17:19, KWills wrote:   
   > On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 16:12:57 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2022-02-15 13:37, KWills wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 12:11:00 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2022-02-15 11:42, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 10:13:23 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2022-02-15 09:18, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 23:15:17 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 2022-02-14 21:29, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:00:54 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-14 13:29, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 12:52:52 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-02-14 12:22, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 09:21:02 -0500, aaa    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm talking about the logic I have shown in the above.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's flawed.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because what God allows or ignores is entirely up to God.    
   What is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reserved for Heaven may not be appropriate for Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that God's law is conditional depending on   
   whether it's   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> applied to heaven or earth? Where is the justice in that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> How God applies God's law is up to Him.  Is that too difficult   
   to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nothing difficult to understand. It's called justice. Is it   
   difficult to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> understand justice?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Justice for those who have graduated to Heaven is different from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> justice handed out on Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. It's the same God's law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> He can hand it out how He chooses.  Do you expect Him to give   
   people   
   >>>>>>>>>>> in Hell justice?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> According to the truth, absolutely.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> What does that even mean?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It's justice based on truth. Is there anything wrong about that?   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It's meaningless, that's what's wrong with it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Not to me. Why is it meaningless to you?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It's just a word salad with no meaning.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That only shows your own ignorance.   
   >>>   
   >>> No, it doesn't.  It shows your meaningless wordplay.   
   >>   
   >> You are the one playing with the ignorant word salad in your head.   
   >   
   > The word salad was your creation not mine.   
      
   It's only word salad to the clueless.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's why no one can complain about   
   >>>>>>>>>> God's judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Tell that to the people in Hell.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> They can't deny the truth, so they have to accept the judgment.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Without complaining?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> There is nothing to complain since it's the rightful punishment for   
   >>>>>> their crime.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Perhaps some were seeking forgiveness which He never gave them?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Asking forgiveness isn't enough. One has to repent first before one can   
   >>>> stand before God asking for anything. An unrepented sinner can't even   
   >>>> stand before God let alone asking for anything.   
   >>>   
   >>> Most who ask for forgiveness DO repent, knowing that.  And STILL end   
   >>> up in Hell.   
   >>   
   >> That is not possible. Repented sinner would never commit crime to fall   
   >> in hell. The crime is the evidence of the sinner's unrepentance.   
   >   
   > The repentance comes after the crime, but perhaps too late to get His   
   > forgiveness.   
      
   Repentance is never the easy way out for any crime. True repentance is   
   based on the complete commitment to pay for the crime fully.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>        Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Because it's God's grace and precious gift of life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> And if it was the same as Earth, as you seem to suggest, why would   
   >>>>>>>>>>> anyone give a shit?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It isn't the same as the fallen Earth. It's the infallible heavenly   
   life.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> And it works by different rules than Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> God's law is always the same to everyone.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Prove it.  A Supreme Being can, by definition, do whatever He wants   
   >>>>>>> wherever He wants...or not at all.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's the requirement of justice. Justice requires the law equally   
   >>>>>> applied to all.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He wants.  If He   
   >>>>> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> That's only your imagination.   
   >>>   
   >>> That's what omnipotence is all about.   
   >>   
   >> Only according to your imagination.   
   >   
   > That is how omnipotence is DEFINED.   
      
   That's more of your imagination.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>              God is omnipotent, He can do whatever the   
   fuck He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants, wherever He wants.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing bad things is not being omnipotent.   
   Omnipotence means there is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no bad thing possible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotence means *anything* is possible.  That's what   
   'omni' means!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since God is good, omnipotence means God has made all   
   things good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there is no bad thing left.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And yet lots of bad things abound.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They have nothing to do with God.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course they do.  He didn't stop them happening, did He?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't know that. That is only your presumption.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If He had stopped them happening, they wouldn't have happened,   
   would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is exactly why there is no sin or evil in heaven.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because God exercises His powers in Heaven in a way He doesn't   
   do on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Pure speculation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Far from it.  In Heaven, we are taught that all is Good.  Not so on   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Earth.  Same God, different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Heaven is good but not because of different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> God has MADE Heaven good...unlike Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Not according to the Bible. The Bible says God made the Earth good.   
   >>>>>>>   
      
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