XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered   
   XPost: alt.support.depression   
   From: jeo@somewhere.org   
      
   On 2022-02-16 19:01, KWills wrote:   
   > On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 16:22:28 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2022-02-16 15:05, KWills wrote:   
   >>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 09:57:13 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2022-02-16 08:10, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 23:22:57 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 2022-02-15 22:03, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 19:56:33 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 2022-02-15 17:19, KWills wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nonsense. It's the same God's law.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He can hand it out how He chooses.  Do you expect Him to   
   give people   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in Hell justice?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> According to the truth, absolutely.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does that even mean?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's justice based on truth. Is there anything wrong about   
   that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's meaningless, that's what's wrong with it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to me. Why is it meaningless to you?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just a word salad with no meaning.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> That only shows your own ignorance.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> No, it doesn't.  It shows your meaningless wordplay.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> You are the one playing with the ignorant word salad in your head.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The word salad was your creation not mine.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It's only word salad to the clueless.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> It's word salad written BY the clueless.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Only the clueless would call it word salad.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Only the clueless would 'write' such a word salad.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So says the clueless.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, you just did.   
   >>   
   >> You are the clueless to what I said.   
   >   
   > You are the clueless saying it.   
      
   So says the clueless.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's why no one can complain about   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God's judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tell that to the people in Hell.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They can't deny the truth, so they have to accept the   
   judgment.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Without complaining?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is nothing to complain since it's the rightful punishment   
   for   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> their crime.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps some were seeking forgiveness which He never gave them?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Asking forgiveness isn't enough. One has to repent first before   
   one can   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> stand before God asking for anything. An unrepented sinner can't   
   even   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> stand before God let alone asking for anything.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Most who ask for forgiveness DO repent, knowing that.  And STILL   
   end   
   >>>>>>>>>>> up in Hell.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That is not possible. Repented sinner would never commit crime to   
   fall   
   >>>>>>>>>> in hell. The crime is the evidence of the sinner's unrepentance.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> The repentance comes after the crime, but perhaps too late to get His   
   >>>>>>>>> forgiveness.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Repentance is never the easy way out for any crime. True repentance is   
   >>>>>>>> based on the complete commitment to pay for the crime fully.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> How would someone do that if they're already in Hell?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's called paying for the crime committed.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> For eternity.  So much for God's love and forgiveness, then.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No. It's based on the justice of God's law.   
   >>>   
   >>> Where's the justice in eternal damnation?   
   >>   
   >> Eternal damnation is based on the eternal forsaking and abandonment of   
   >> God. It's the result of the eternal loss of the ability to believe in   
   >> God again.   
   >   
   > How can anyone, even God, foresee an eternal loss of the ability to   
   > believe in Him?   
      
   Who cares?   
      
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>            Otherwise, why would anyone want to go to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because it's God's grace and precious gift of life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And if it was the same as Earth, as you seem to suggest,   
   why would   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone give a shit?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't the same as the fallen Earth. It's the infallible   
   heavenly life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> And it works by different rules than Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God's law is always the same to everyone.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove it.  A Supreme Being can, by definition, do whatever He   
   wants   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherever He wants...or not at all.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's the requirement of justice. Justice requires the law   
   equally   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> applied to all.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He wants.  If   
   He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> That's only your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> That's what omnipotence is all about.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Only according to your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> That is how omnipotence is DEFINED.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> That's more of your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> You have a better definition?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It has nothing to do with omnipotence. It's about justice.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> When you have omnipotence, you can do whatever the fuck you like with   
   >>>>> justice.  God has it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Allowing evil is not omnipotence. It's the exact opposite omnipotence.   
   >>>   
   >>> Omnipotence means allowing or disallowing anything the fuck you want.   
   >>   
   >> Evil is not an ability. Evil is the result of disability. It has nothing   
   >> to do with God's omnipotence.   
   >   
   > And if God wanted to He could eliminate that disability and its   
   > results.  He hasn't.   
      
   The problem is the people. You can't blame God for that.   
      
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>                  God is omnipotent, He can do   
   whatever the fuck He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants, wherever He wants.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Allowing bad things is not being omnipotent.   
   Omnipotence means there is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no bad thing possible.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Omnipotence means *anything* is possible.    
   That's what 'omni' means!   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Since God is good, omnipotence means God has made   
   all things good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> therefore, there is no bad thing left.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
      
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