XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered   
   XPost: alt.support.depression   
   From: jeo@somewhere.org   
      
   On 2022-02-17 08:54, KWills wrote:   
   > On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 20:37:34 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2022-02-16 19:01, KWills wrote:   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>> It's word salad written BY the clueless.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Only the clueless would call it word salad.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Only the clueless would 'write' such a word salad.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> So says the clueless.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Yes, you just did.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> You are the clueless to what I said.   
   >>>   
   >>> You are the clueless saying it.   
   >>   
   >> So says the clueless.   
   >   
   > Yes, you just did.   
      
   So says the clueless.   
      
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>> Repentance is never the easy way out for any crime. True repentance   
   is   
   >>>>>>>>>> based on the complete commitment to pay for the crime fully.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> How would someone do that if they're already in Hell?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It's called paying for the crime committed.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> For eternity.  So much for God's love and forgiveness, then.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> No. It's based on the justice of God's law.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Where's the justice in eternal damnation?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Eternal damnation is based on the eternal forsaking and abandonment of   
   >>>> God. It's the result of the eternal loss of the ability to believe in   
   >>>> God again.   
   >>>   
   >>> How can anyone, even God, foresee an eternal loss of the ability to   
   >>> believe in Him?   
   >>   
   >> Who cares?   
   >   
   > Classic troll line.   
      
   No, a perfectly logical question to a meaningless and pointless question.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He wants.    
   If He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's only your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what omnipotence is all about.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Only according to your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> That is how omnipotence is DEFINED.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That's more of your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> You have a better definition?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> It has nothing to do with omnipotence. It's about justice.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> When you have omnipotence, you can do whatever the fuck you like with   
   >>>>>>> justice.  God has it.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Allowing evil is not omnipotence. It's the exact opposite omnipotence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Omnipotence means allowing or disallowing anything the fuck you want.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Evil is not an ability. Evil is the result of disability. It has nothing   
   >>>> to do with God's omnipotence.   
   >>>   
   >>> And if God wanted to He could eliminate that disability and its   
   >>> results.  He hasn't.   
   >>   
   >> The problem is the people. You can't blame God for that.   
   >   
   > God created them.  He can prevent them doing evil if He wants to but   
   > apparently He doesn't give a shit.   
      
   False. You can't blame God when the sinner chooses to sin.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure speculation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Far from it.  In Heaven, we are taught that all is   
   Good.  Not so on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth.  Same God, different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven is good but not because of different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God has MADE Heaven good...unlike Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not according to the Bible. The Bible says God made the   
   Earth good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't last long, did it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the fall of man didn't happen long.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been happening since the Garden of Eden incident.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's merely a blip in the history of life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> The incident with the Apple was only the first of MILLIONS of   
   similar   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful incidents.  It was NOT a one off.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I was talking about the nearly three thousand years blip. It's   
   nothing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> comparing with the eternal life in heaven.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> But Heaven was, by definition, created at the same time as Earth   
   >>>>>>>>>>> (Genesis).  Sin will continue on Earth for as long as Heaven   
   exists.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Sin is only an illusion. It never existed.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Sin is all around us.  It exists and it's REAL.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Only because people are deceived.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Deceived into committing sin?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> So you agree it's real.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's the result of being deceived. It's a lie. It can't be real.   
   >>>   
   >>> It's not only real, its effects on others are real.  See under World   
   >>> Wars.   
   >>   
   >> It's still just a lie. By believing the lie, great evil is committed,   
   >> but the lie will always be a lie.   
   >   
   > How can the reality of evil be a lie?  Aren't two World Wars enough   
   > evidence for you?  Are you trying to say they never happened???   
      
   Evil is never any reality. Evil is the destruction and the denying of   
   reality. Since the true reality can never denied or destroyed, the evil   
   destruction is only an illusion.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darkness is an illusion?  Like 'trangendering'?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil is only an illusion, yes.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see evil in the world around you?   What sort of   
   Polyanna   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attitude is that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see evil, and I know it's only an illusion.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It'll seem real enough when you're the beneficiary of it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't benefit from evil.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> It's another word for 'victim'.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> No difference to me.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Well then, if you're the victim of evil, you'll see it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> That has nothing to do with your previous point about "benefiting from   
   >>>>>>>> evil".   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Semantics, nothing more.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You are not making yourself clear.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> I cannot make it any clearer.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> I don't see your point.   
   >>>   
   >>> Of course you don't.  Because you're just trolling.   
   >>   
   >> Just being honest.   
   >   
   > You mean evasive, surely.   
      
   No.   
      
   >   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You presented it as an assertion.  It becomes a fact after   
   you've   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proved it, which remains your responsibility.  Pretty   
   basic stuff, eh?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Why not just admit you made it up and move on?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's your misunderstanding. It's already a fact. I can't   
   make a fact   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less than a fact. It will always be a fact no matter what I   
   do.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
      
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