XPost: alt.atheism, alt.transgendered, soc.support.transgendered   
   XPost: alt.support.depression   
   From: jeo@somewhere.org   
      
   On 2022-02-17 12:36, KWills wrote:   
   > On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:20:56 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 2022-02-17 08:54, KWills wrote:   
   >>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 20:37:34 -0500, aaa  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 2022-02-16 19:01, KWills wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> It's word salad written BY the clueless.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Only the clueless would call it word salad.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Only the clueless would 'write' such a word salad.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> So says the clueless.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Yes, you just did.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> You are the clueless to what I said.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> You are the clueless saying it.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So says the clueless.   
   >>>   
   >>> Yes, you just did.   
   >>   
   >> So says the clueless.   
   >   
   > Yes, you just did say so.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Repentance is never the easy way out for any crime. True   
   repentance is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> based on the complete commitment to pay for the crime fully.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> How would someone do that if they're already in Hell?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It's called paying for the crime committed.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> For eternity.  So much for God's love and forgiveness, then.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> No. It's based on the justice of God's law.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Where's the justice in eternal damnation?   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Eternal damnation is based on the eternal forsaking and abandonment of   
   >>>>>> God. It's the result of the eternal loss of the ability to believe in   
   >>>>>> God again.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> How can anyone, even God, foresee an eternal loss of the ability to   
   >>>>> believe in Him?   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Who cares?   
   >>>   
   >>> Classic troll line.   
   >>   
   >> No, a perfectly logical question to a meaningless and pointless question.   
   >   
   > No logic behind it whatsoever.  Not really into this theology shit,   
   > are you?   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Earth, yes, in theory.  But God can do whatever He   
   wants.  If He   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wants to eliminate evil from Heaven He can do that.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's only your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's what omnipotence is all about.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only according to your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> That is how omnipotence is DEFINED.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> That's more of your imagination.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> You have a better definition?   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> It has nothing to do with omnipotence. It's about justice.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> When you have omnipotence, you can do whatever the fuck you like with   
   >>>>>>>>> justice.  God has it.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Allowing evil is not omnipotence. It's the exact opposite omnipotence.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> Omnipotence means allowing or disallowing anything the fuck you want.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Evil is not an ability. Evil is the result of disability. It has nothing   
   >>>>>> to do with God's omnipotence.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> And if God wanted to He could eliminate that disability and its   
   >>>>> results.  He hasn't.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The problem is the people. You can't blame God for that.   
   >>>   
   >>> God created them.  He can prevent them doing evil if He wants to but   
   >>> apparently He doesn't give a shit.   
   >>   
   >> False. You can't blame God when the sinner chooses to sin.   
   >   
   > God could stop the sinner sinning but He chooses not to.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pure speculation.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Far from it.  In Heaven, we are taught that all is   
   Good.  Not so on   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Earth.  Same God, different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Heaven is good but not because of different rules.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God has MADE Heaven good...unlike Earth.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not according to the Bible. The Bible says God made the   
   Earth good.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Didn't last long, did it?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Actually, the fall of man didn't happen long.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's been happening since the Garden of Eden incident.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's merely a blip in the history of life.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The incident with the Apple was only the first of MILLIONS of   
   similar   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sinful incidents.  It was NOT a one off.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was talking about the nearly three thousand years blip. It's   
   nothing   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> comparing with the eternal life in heaven.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> But Heaven was, by definition, created at the same time as Earth   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> (Genesis).  Sin will continue on Earth for as long as Heaven   
   exists.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Sin is only an illusion. It never existed.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Sin is all around us.  It exists and it's REAL.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> Only because people are deceived.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Deceived into committing sin?   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Yes.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> So you agree it's real.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> It's the result of being deceived. It's a lie. It can't be real.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> It's not only real, its effects on others are real.  See under World   
   >>>>> Wars.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> It's still just a lie. By believing the lie, great evil is committed,   
   >>>> but the lie will always be a lie.   
   >>>   
   >>> How can the reality of evil be a lie?  Aren't two World Wars enough   
   >>> evidence for you?  Are you trying to say they never happened???   
   >>   
   >> Evil is never any reality. Evil is the destruction and the denying of   
   >> reality. Since the true reality can never denied or destroyed, the evil   
   >> destruction is only an illusion.   
   >   
   > What a load of horseshit.   
   >   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Darkness is an illusion?  Like 'trangendering'?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Evil is only an illusion, yes.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You don't see evil in the world around you?   What sort of   
   Polyanna   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> attitude is that?   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I see evil, and I know it's only an illusion.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It'll seem real enough when you're the beneficiary of it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't benefit from evil.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> It's another word for 'victim'.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> No difference to me.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Well then, if you're the victim of evil, you'll see it.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> That has nothing to do with your previous point about "benefiting   
   from   
   >>>>>>>>>> evil".   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> Semantics, nothing more.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> You are not making yourself clear.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> I cannot make it any clearer.   
   >>>>>>   
      
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