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   From: LiveFromTheClocktower@gfy.com   
      
   "David Loftus"  wrote in message   
   news:1151683082.470227.286150@y41g2000cwy.googlegroups.com...   
      
   > I can appreciate sincerity and determination, but the Paine quote   
   > specifically references folks who avoid "the crisis" as non-patriots --   
   > cowards, if you will   
      
   Consider guys like Rumsfeld, Limbaugh, Cheney and previous wars. Are you   
   suggesting folks shouldn't be critical of the fireeaters who send other   
   people off to fight their wars?   
      
    >(And, not to muddy the debate here as has been done for those   
   > young American fellows who lost their lives in battle the past three   
   > years, what does the war in Iraq have to do with terrorism or 9/11,   
   > much as many of those same soldiers have said there is one?)   
      
   You people can extract any political discussion or point from my use of the   
   Paine quote that you want, but it's yours, not mine.   
      
   -c   
      
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