XPost: or.general, or.politics   
   From: dhomuth1@comcast.net   
      
   On Wed, 16 Aug 2006 15:09:29 -0700, "Paulapalooooozaa"   
    wrote:   
      
   >   
   >"Don Homuth"  wrote in message   
   >news:oo47e2lrrlpj34n53g3rvcmt91bpc3gnik@4ax.com...   
   >> Bike riders tend not to spend a lot of time on the amUsenet.   
   >   
   >I have seen several threads in the past where regular bicyclists responded.   
      
   The Past goes back a long way.  Re-read the statement for content --   
   especially that part where it says A Lot of Time.   
      
   Some time handles that nicely.   
      
   >Your generalization is fairly irrational.   
      
   The generalization is quite specific and accurate as stated.   
      
   >>>By your account debris somehow stays within the boundaries of the bike   
   >>>lane   
   >>>while bicyclists do not.   
   >>   
   >> No -- by my account, road debris tends to migrate more to the outsides   
   >> of the roads, which is where the bike lanes tend to be.  That's a   
   >> commonly known phenomenon on streets and roads and even racetracks, if   
   >> you have any observational data.   
   >   
   >I'm aware of that, but mostly in the gutter, and in Oregon regular rain   
   >dispenses with most of it.   
      
   In Oregon, bike riders tend not to ride in the rain as much as they   
   ride when it's dry.   
      
   Or do you wish to argue with that too?   
      
   >> When street cleaning budgets are cut, the bike lanes tend to get short   
   >> shrift, because the debris is not on the main portion of the road, but   
   >> off to the side where it won't affect the numbers that it might in   
   >> auto traffic.   
   >   
   >Where I live there are many bike lanes and the streets are kept fairly   
   >cleaned by regular sweeping. Bicyclists still are seen on the outside of   
   >them.   
      
   There are not legally required to be within them.  But they tend to   
   remain within them when the streets are clean.  Car drivers also   
   occasionally wander within the bike lanes as well.   
      
   It all evens out, and doesn't seem like a Big Deal much either way.   
      
   Now if a car Parks in a bike lane, that's a different matter entirely.   
   But mostly they don't.   
      
   >> So bike riders tend to ride to the inside of the bike lanes, and when   
   >> those are completely clogged with debris will tend to stray outside of   
   >> them.  OTOH, when/if the bike lanes are swept, they tend to be quite   
   >> happy to stay well inside of them.   
   >   
   >As I have said, not that I have seen. But I'm not talking about the   
   >majority. I'm talking about a rather significant minority.   
      
   All minorities are significant, if they happen to catch your eye.   
      
   Are you seeking some sort of Absolute Rule here?   
      
   >>>I guess this leads to the question of why bother putting that stripe there   
   >>>in the first place if the cyclist won't stay within the lane.   
   >>   
   >> Cyclists also have a right to ride On the roadway as well, unless   
   >> otherwise specifically posted.   
   >>   
   >> You probably weren't aware of that either.   
   >   
   >I'm well aware of it. For some reason you have your panties twisted in a   
   >bunch enough to make snippy remarks over an honest question. I've been   
   >polite and am not trolling. So much for either of them leading to civility.   
      
   Hmmm.  Sort of a short fuse there, pardner.  Might want to loosen the   
   old skull nut a tad.   
      
   You're getting straight answers, to which you respond with apparent   
   confusion and disbelief.   
      
   If that's your idea of "panties in a bunch," you really ought to get   
   out more.   
      
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