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   From: bshatzerNO@comcast.net   
      
   lein wrote:   
      
   > Bill Shatzer wrote:   
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   >>lein wrote:   
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   >>   
   >>>Bill Shatzer wrote:   
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   >>>>lein wrote:   
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   >>>>>Don Homuth wrote:   
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   >>>>>>As for your invented "ratio" that's what's nonsense.   
   >>   
   >>>>>I know, it's likely greater.  Much greater.   
   >>   
   >>>>Your claimed 100 to one seems unlikely.   
   >>   
   >>>>Vehicle count numbers for the four bridges I could find numbers on are:   
   >>   
   >>>>Bridge       Bicycles      Motor Vehicles   
   >>   
   >>>>Hawthorne    4,829         29,412   
   >>   
   >>>>Steel        2,112         18,791   
   >>   
   >>>>Broadway     2,081         27,259   
   >>   
   >>>>Burnside     1,170         39,085   
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   >>>>All traffic counts are for 2005 - daily averages for bicyclists and the   
   >>>>Portland BoT listed one day count for motor vehicles.   
   >>   
   >>>>It would seem the ration varies between 6 to one on the Hawthorne to 33   
   >>>>to one on the Burnside.  All considerably short of 100 to one, much less   
   >>>>"Much greater".   
   >>   
   >>>How about the Marqum and Freemont bridges?   
   >>   
   >>Marquam Bridge traffic volume is 136,000/day while the Fremont (one 'e')   
   >>Bridge handles 115,000/day.   
   >>   
   >>Obviously there's some double counting - some not insignificant amount   
   >>of traffic crossing the Fremont and Marquam bridges also crosses the   
   >>four listed surface street bridges. However, even without factoring in   
   >>the double counting, the total vehicle traffic comes to about   
   >>366,000/day and total bicyle traffic over the four bridges alone comes   
   >>to just over 10,000 - still a 36.5 to one ratio and still only a third   
   >>of your claimed "100 to one" ratio and even less than your claimed "much   
   >>greater".   
      
   > So there are 10,000 bicyclist in Portland today?   
      
   In the metro area? Certainly.   
      
   Indeed, probably 5 times that number on an at least occassional basis.   
      
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