XPost: alt.forestry, misc.rural   
   From: nntpmail@epix.net   
      
   On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:32:49 +0000, Lobby Dosser wrote:   
   > Ann  wrote:   
   >> Lobby Dosser wrote:   
   >>> "Joetheone" wrote:   
   >>>> "Lobby Dosser" wrote   
   >> <...>   
   >>>>> Especially when there is a Large Sign giving Clues to the   
   >>>>> uninitiated.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> To be fair, when you're slipping around in the snow in the dark on a   
   >>>> road you've never seen before and have no business being on, Larg   
   >>>> signs can be pretty easy to miss. Your headlights can miss them. As   
   >>>> to the gate, I'm pissed about them in most cases. They've gotten real   
   >>>> extreme about them over here (Idaho).   
   >>>   
   >>> The Large Sign is at the gate.   
   >>   
   >> Do you have a cite that confirms there was a sign at the gate, warning   
   >> that it's a dead-end road (or something similar)?  There are winter   
   >> warning signs along Bear Camp Rd, but the Kim's fatal error was going   
   >> onto the BLM logging road.   
   >   
   > It is not a dead end road.   
      
   Then, "something similar" applies.   
      
   > His fatal error was going off a major highway in the winter.   
      
   A mistake, but not "fatal".  James Kim didn't leave the vehicle until   
   Saturday; Bear Camp Rd had been searched before that.  Also from the   
   Oregonian's 12/17 reconstruction:   
      
   "On Friday afternoon, Sarah Rubrecht, Josephine County's emergency   
   services manager, and Jason Stanton, a BLM deputy, set out for Bear Camp   
   Road from Grants Pass in a four-wheel-drive Ford Expedition.   
      
   Rubrecht said the drive made her "extremely car sick" and she had to stop   
   several times along the route because she was afraid she'd vomit. She said   
   she and Stanton decided to "turn off all logic" and simply follow the   
   signs to the coast as an inexperienced traveler might do. When they came   
   to the logging road, Stanton and Rubrecht went straight.   
      
   "Where I'm holding the most guilt is that when Jason and I drove up on   
   Friday, we got to that fork in the road," Rubrecht said. "What we didn't   
   take into consideration is that it was snowing hard the night the Kims   
   went through, and they couldn't see that sign to the coast."   
      
   > [They passed signs warning Bear Camp Road may be blocked by snow, but   
   > kept going. At times James had to stick his head out the window to see   
   > through the falling snow, said Hastings.   
   >   
   > They came to a fork in the one-lane road and turned right, leaving the   
   > road to Agness and descending into a confusing warren of logging roads.]   
   >   
   > http://www.katu.com/news/4866106.html   
      
   That's the 10 day old AP article and it says nothing about any "The Large   
   Sign is at the gate."   
      
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