XPost: alt.forestry, misc.rural   
   From: lobby.dosser.mapson@verizon.net   
      
   Ann  wrote:   
      
   > On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 15:32:49 +0000, Lobby Dosser wrote:   
   >> Ann  wrote:   
   >>> Lobby Dosser wrote:   
   >>>> "Joetheone" wrote:   
   >>>>> "Lobby Dosser" wrote   
   >>> <...>   
   >>>>>> Especially when there is a Large Sign giving Clues to the   
   >>>>>> uninitiated.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> To be fair, when you're slipping around in the snow in the dark on   
   >>>>> a road you've never seen before and have no business being on,   
   >>>>> Larg signs can be pretty easy to miss. Your headlights can miss   
   >>>>> them. As to the gate, I'm pissed about them in most cases. They've   
   >>>>> gotten real extreme about them over here (Idaho).   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The Large Sign is at the gate.   
   >>>   
   >>> Do you have a cite that confirms there was a sign at the gate,   
   >>> warning that it's a dead-end road (or something similar)?  There are   
   >>> winter warning signs along Bear Camp Rd, but the Kim's fatal error   
   >>> was going onto the BLM logging road.   
   >>   
   >> It is not a dead end road.   
   >   
   > Then, "something similar" applies.   
      
   What is 'similar' to a dead end road?   
      
   >   
   >> His fatal error was going off a major highway in the winter.   
   >   
   > A mistake, but not "fatal".  James Kim didn't leave the vehicle until   
   > Saturday; Bear Camp Rd had been searched before that.  Also from the   
   > Oregonian's 12/17 reconstruction:   
   >   
   > "On Friday afternoon, Sarah Rubrecht, Josephine County's emergency   
   > services manager, and Jason Stanton, a BLM deputy, set out for Bear   
   > Camp Road from Grants Pass in a four-wheel-drive Ford Expedition.   
   >   
   > Rubrecht said the drive made her "extremely car sick" and she had to   
   > stop several times along the route because she was afraid she'd vomit.   
   > She said she and Stanton decided to "turn off all logic" and simply   
   > follow the signs to the coast as an inexperienced traveler might do.   
   > When they came to the logging road, Stanton and Rubrecht went   
   > straight.   
   >   
   > "Where I'm holding the most guilt is that when Jason and I drove up on   
   > Friday, we got to that fork in the road," Rubrecht said. "What we   
   > didn't take into consideration is that it was snowing hard the night   
   > the Kims went through, and they couldn't see that sign to the coast."   
   >   
   >> [They passed signs warning Bear Camp Road may be blocked by snow, but   
   >> kept going. At times James had to stick his head out the window to   
   >> see through the falling snow, said Hastings.   
   >>   
   >> They came to a fork in the one-lane road and turned right, leaving   
   >> the road to Agness and descending into a confusing warren of logging   
   >> roads.]   
   >>   
   >> http://www.katu.com/news/4866106.html   
   >   
   > That's the 10 day old AP article and it says nothing about any "The   
   > Large Sign is at the gate."   
   >   
      
   [They passed signs warning Bear Camp Road may be blocked by snow, but   
   >> kept going. At times James had to stick his head out the window to   
   >> see through the falling snow, said Hastings   
      
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