XPost: ca.politics, alt.california, alt.california.illegals   
   XPost: alt.conspiracy, or.politics, or.general   
   XPost: seattle.politics, seattle.general, alt.feminism   
   From: 1proudamerican@usa.com   
      
   "Don Homuth"  wrote in message   
   news:0j59b31ur5m2u9qg3jd3r642nuo8ldrr99@4ax.com...   
   > On Sat, 4 Aug 2007 09:56:08 -0500, "proudamerican"   
   > <1proudamerican@usa.com> wrote:   
   >   
   >>These judges need to be ousted   
   >   
   > We have this process called Elections, even including Recall   
   > elections.  What's stopping you?   
   >   
   >>... for their anti American views.   
   >   
   > Law Enforcement is hardly anti-American.  Neither is remaining within   
   > your proper jurisdiction.   
   >   
   > Cities do not have jurisdiction over immigration law enforcement.   
   >   
   >> Not renting to a criminal; is your responsibility under the law.   
   >   
   > Actually no -- you have no such responsibility at all.  You are not   
   > judge and jury in such cases.  Renting to those who have been charged   
   > and found guilty of past crimes is not a problem.  But if they have   
   > Not been so charged and found guilty, You are not in a position to   
   > refuse to rent to them because they Might be so charged and tried in   
   > the future.  Nor are you legally required "under the law" to institute   
   > an investigation.   
   >   
   >> The law requires you to   
   >>turn in any criminal or be a part of his crime by way of association.   
   >   
   > Well, no -- that's a misstatement.  No law requires you to turn in any   
   > criminal.  And it is not part of a crime to rent to them when they   
   > have Not been tried and found guilty of something.  Because, at that   
   > point, they are Not "criminals" as the term is used in a legal   
   > context.   
   >   
   > On that one, you are Wrong in Fact and Wrong in Law.   
   >   
   > Now, if you were part of a criminal conspiracy, in which you Knowingly   
   > attempted to provide shelter to someone who is in the process of   
   > planning a crime, that's a different matter.  But if you do Not   
   > actually Know of such things, you have no legal obligation to become a   
   > one-person investigating force.  Nor can any city statute demand that   
   > you do so wrt matters that are beyond its own jurisdictional reach.   
   >   
   >>If you know the person is illegally in this country then you know he has   
   >>committed   
   >>a crime   
   >   
   > What is the basis of this supposed "knowledge?"   
   >   
   >>...and if you do not report this you are just as guilty as he is.   
   >   
   > Nope -- you are not, and you have no obligation to report it.  You may   
   > choose to report your suspicions to the INS folks, who actually Do   
   > have the legal responsibility and jurisdiction to deal with such   
   > matters.  But you bear no legal responsibiliy nor guilt if you do not.   
   >   
   > What you are limited to is to report your suspicions to those who have   
   > jurisdictional responsibility -- and even at that you are under   
   > precisely No legal obligation to do so.   
   >   
   >>Besides it is just good business to not rent to an illegal   
   >   
   > That's as may be, but it resides well Outside the reach of any legal   
   > demand that you make any reports.   
   >   
   > If you wish to refuse to rent to someone, you may do that on various   
   > grounds.  You may request to see a Green Card if you like, but you are   
   > generally Not in a position to determine whether or not it is genuine.   
   >   
   > Folks like you keep endlessly repeating that there is some sort of   
   > Legal Imperative for ordinary citizens to act as law enforcement   
   > agencies, and in the repetition you create expectations that are   
   > simply false.   
   >   
   > Local government has precisely No jurisdictional authority over   
   > immigration laws.  None whatsoever.  It follows that such an entity   
   > Cannot promulgate an ordinance that requires its citizens to enforce   
   > such laws either.   
      
   Like I said , If you know the person is illegal then you have a duty to turn   
   them in.  Being illegal is a crime. You are obligated under law to report   
   any crime you know has been committed. If not you are an accessory to fact   
   "After" . If you know they are going to commit a crime it is " before"   
   Either way it is a criminal offense to know of a crime and not report it.   
   So then it is your duty to not rent to a person who you know to be an   
   illegal and not turn them in. It is your duty as an AMERICAN CITIZEN to   
   refuse to rent to or in any other way help a pile of crap criminal invader .   
   This in itself falls under the heading of treason. Yes helping one of these   
   criminals is the same as committing treason. Ever read the treason laws. I   
   think helping a person whose sole purpose in life is to undermine the   
   integrity of the American way of life is in fact treason.   
      
      
      
   --   
   Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)