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   >>>   
   >>> "For what I do is not the good I want to do; no, the evil I do not   
   >>> want to do--this I keep on doing." (NIV)   
   >>>   
   >>> So what really did Jesus mean by that statement? Looks like I will   
   >>> have to go to the big, bad, brainwashing, Watchtower, to see what they   
   >>> say:   
   >>   
   >> Nice that you recognize, for some reason, that watchtower sees to   
   >> brainwash   
   >> people.   
   >   
   >   
   > Correct.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> The problem really is that they seek to keep people out of the Body   
   >> of Christ and lull them to eternal death by denying that Jesus is God.   
   >   
   >   
   > Correct. You promote polytheism and tritheism, like Mormons, however.   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> As   
   >> well as keeping those that are lost in that lost state of being, by   
   >> introducing a false Gospel   
   >   
   >   
   > Correct.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> and make them feel as if they were doing what they   
   >> instinctively desire to be, that being right with the Lord.   
   >   
   >   
   > (Unintelligible. I honestly have no idea what you're trying to say here.)   
   >   
   >   
   >>> "5:14—Is sickness the result of committing sin? Not necessarily.   
   >   
   >   
   > Correct. Not all sickness is brought on by sin. However, Jesus knows   
   > whether it is or not, and in this case, he exhorted him to sin no more   
   > so that nothing worse may happen. That does seem to imply his condition   
   > was brought on by sin.   
   >   
   > Likewise, everything in the context of the James 5 reference is   
   > consistent with sickness that is caused by sin.   
   >   
   > James 5:16 explicitly commands believers to "confess your trespasses to   
   > one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed." The   
   > healing is directly connected to the confession of sins, showing that   
   > this sickness is not just random physical illness but a consequence of sin.   
   >   
   > This is consistent with passages like 1 Corinthians 11:30, where Paul   
   > explains that some believers were weak, sick, and even dying because of   
   > sin (partaking in the Lord’s Supper unworthily).   
   >   
   > Just a few verses later, James 5:19-20 speaks of turning a sinner from   
   > the error of his way and saving his soul from death. This continues the   
   > theme of restoration and healing from the consequences of sin, further   
   > supporting the idea that the "sickness" mentioned earlier is related to   
   > divine chastening for sin.   
   >   
   > So in the context of James 5, everything points to the idea that this   
   > kind of sickness refers to that which is brought on by sin, and that   
   > this kind of sickness is healed with prayer and confession of sin.   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> The   
   >>> man whom Jesus cured had been sick for 38 years because of inherited   
   >>> imperfection. (John 5:1-9)   
   >   
   >   
   > Where are you seeing that? Jesus told him to sin no more so that no   
   > worse thing may happen to him.   
   >   
   >>   
   >>  What Jesus meant was that now that the man   
   >>> had been shown mercy, he must follow the way of salvation and   
   >>> willfully sin no more lest something worse than sickness should befall   
   >>> him.   
   >   
   >   
   > Perhaps, but the other interpretation is also valid.   
   >   
   > "Go and sin no more" implies the possibility of not sinning (as shown   
   > above from Romans 6). It also implies the possibility of sinning, since   
   > it would be pointless to tell someone to "sin no more", if it were not   
   > possible for them to sin.   
   >   
   > Likewise, all the exhortations in the Bible to yield to the spirit   
   > rather than the "flesh" (e.g. Galatians 5), would be false teaching if   
   > believers did not retain an old fleshly nature. No one needs to be   
   > exhorted to walk in the Spirit rather than the "flesh", if they don't   
   > have an old fleshly nature dwelling within them.   
   >   
   > Further, we have Jesus commanding His disciples to "forgive" a "brother"   
   > "seven times per day" (or even "seventy times seven"), if he "repent".   
   > If the person who sins repents (even seven times per day), they are   
   > still to be regarded as a "brother". Ironically, you only conclude they   
   > are not a brother if they refuse to admit any wrongdoing after they sin   
   > and are confronted by one, then two or three, then the church! It's not   
   > the repenting sinner who is marked as an unbeliever, but the sinner who   
   > denies he ever sinned!   
   >   
   >   
   >>   
   >> The man could become guilty of committing an unforgivable sin,   
   >>> deserving of death with no resurrection.—Matt. 12:31, 32; Luke 12:10;   
   >>> Heb. 10:26,27."   
   >>> (Watchtower 2008, 4/15, p. 30)   
   >>>   
   >>> Did you catch the answer? Jesus meant the man must not WILLFULLY sin   
   >>> no more. And that part of sin CAN be controlled. (like no more strip   
   >>> clubs, etc)   
   >>   
   >> the Bible says nothing about strip clubs, etc,   
   >   
   >   
   > It warns against lusting after a woman with your eyes, and equates it   
   > with adultery. If the Bible had to specifically mention every possible   
   > sin by name, it would be filled with nothing but a catalogue of possible   
   > sins, many of which would not even have made sense to the original   
   > readers. The Bible gives principles which show whether or not something   
   > is sin.   
   >   
   >   
   >> Obviously you must never have read the scriptures you listed above,   
   >> for it   
   >> does not support the narrative that you presented. You too have   
   >> “inherited   
   >> imperfections”. John chapter five never speaks of any inheritance. Just   
   >> that he was with an infirmity for 38 years, and had no one to help   
   >> him. Jesus   
   >> just told him to walk in a righteous manner as a Jew. To live a way   
   >> that was   
   >> prepared for the Israelite to live. Why? Because the Old Commandment   
   >> had not   
   >> yet been fulfilled.   
   >   
   >   
   > Jesus used the Law for the same reason Paul explains in Galatians. The   
   > Law was a tutor to point us to Christ (Galatians 3:24). Paul mentions,   
   > for example, in Romans that he would not have known sin, unless the Law   
   > had said "you shall not covet" (Romans 7:7). The purpose of the Law is   
   > to expose men's sin and need of a substitutionary atonement to pay the   
   > debt they owe to God. It's supposed to point them to Christ.   
   >   
   >   
   >> As for those who are guilty of committing the unpardonable sin, it   
   >> appears   
   >> that you do not even know what that is. Feel free to describe what   
   >> that is.   
   >   
   >   
   > It's seeing Jesus cast out demons with your own eyes, then attributing   
   > Jesus' power to cast out demons to the devil, rather than the Holy   
   > Spirit by which Jesus was actually empowered to cast out demons. It's   
   > not seeing a Charismatic promote a fake mockery of signs and wonders,   
   > then failing to believe that was the Holy Spirit operating through them.   
   >   
      
      
   --   
   God is God in all His Being. All the glory is His, for He is all glory.   
      
   Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John   
   10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the   
   everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.   
      
   Colossians 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.   
      
   Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were   
   YET sinners, Christ died for us.   
      
   Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it   
   is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.   
      
   Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt   
   are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.   
      
   Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that   
   hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.   
      
   "To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."   
      
   "If God is not first in everything, He is not first in anything."   
      
   "What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of   
   God. When you find Him you have found the author."   
      
      
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