XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia, alt.bu   
   dha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: being@apolka.sign   
      
   kazu wrote:   
   > someone wrote:   
      
   >> Koans could be used to stop an intellect   
      
   >hmm.. you know honestly i cant seem to follow what you are trying   
   >to get at?   
      
   Recently I heard of trying to nail jelly to a wall.   
      
   Such a thought reminded me of the sky and   
   having a hammer at three in the morning.   
      
   To babble and speak jibberish is normal   
   for me usually and to make sense   
   tends to be less common.   
      
   Without a thought, who can say.   
   Without words, who can be.   
      
   >if we are talking about concepts, meaning and language taking   
   >precedence, then i have some reading to catch up on because i   
   >dont know the details of those arguments.   
      
   Atheism and Theism walked in   
   to a bar and to think either   
   of them would have seen it   
   suggests they had eyes.   
      
   They both didn't.   
   Neither of them ducked.   
   They didn't walk as they quacked.   
      
   Yet there it was, plain as day.   
   The bar at the door of the bar.   
      
   Nothing is a word.   
   Everything is a word.   
      
   Words usually have meanings.   
      
   Some people talk about non-duality.   
   A saying may say those who know, don't.   
      
   Why would an atheist pondering no things   
   be different from any theist who ponders such   
   things like nothing or everything as categories.   
      
   Lots of things are taken for granted   
   by thinkers who think about things   
   using axioms presupposing existence.   
      
   Ontology and epistemology arrive in mind.   
   Does nothing refer to a physical reality.   
      
   How can some body know everything   
   as a whole is more than a sum of parts.   
   Prior to everything was there a what.   
   Before time began, when was that.   
      
   To subtract to a point   
   Without points nor dots   
   When all is gone beyond   
   Silence and calm returning   
      
   Words such as where, when, what,   
   why, how and who disappear and then   
   and there could be a non-thing naturally.   
      
   Here and now can be the Great Present   
   unfolding as if it were not a thing,   
   not a noun, yet as a verb.   
      
   Metaphysical realities vary.   
      
   - thanks! Cheers!   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)