XPost: alt.support.depression, alt.support.schizophrenia, alt.bu   
   dha.short.fat.guy   
   XPost: alt.philosophy.taoism, alt.philosophy.zen   
   From: nedludd@ix.netcom.com   
      
   On 10/12/2024 6:03 AM, someone wrote:   
   > kazu wrote:   
   >> someone wrote:   
   >   
   >>> Koans could be used to stop an intellect   
   >   
   >> hmm.. you know honestly i cant seem to follow what you are trying   
   >> to get at?   
   >   
   > Recently I heard of trying to nail jelly to a wall.   
   >   
   > Such a thought reminded me of the sky and   
   > having a hammer at three in the morning.   
   >   
   > To babble and speak jibberish is normal   
   > for me usually and to make sense   
   > tends to be less common.   
   >   
   > Without a thought, who can say.   
   > Without words, who can be.   
   >   
   >> if we are talking about concepts, meaning and language taking   
   >> precedence, then i have some reading to catch up on because i   
   >> dont know the details of those arguments.   
   >   
   > Atheism and Theism walked in   
   > to a bar and to think either   
   > of them would have seen it   
   > suggests they had eyes.   
   >   
   > They both didn't.   
   > Neither of them ducked.   
   > They didn't walk as they quacked.   
   >   
   > Yet there it was, plain as day.   
   > The bar at the door of the bar.   
   >   
   > Nothing is a word.   
   > Everything is a word.   
   >   
   > Words usually have meanings.   
   >   
   > Some people talk about non-duality.   
   > A saying may say those who know, don't.   
   >   
   > Why would an atheist pondering no things   
   > be different from any theist who ponders such   
   > things like nothing or everything as categories.   
   >   
   > Lots of things are taken for granted   
   > by thinkers who think about things   
   > using axioms presupposing existence.   
   >   
   > Ontology and epistemology arrive in mind.   
   > Does nothing refer to a physical reality.   
   >   
   > How can some body know everything   
   > as a whole is more than a sum of parts.   
   > Prior to everything was there a what.   
   > Before time began, when was that.   
   >   
   > To subtract to a point   
   > Without points nor dots   
   > When all is gone beyond   
   > Silence and calm returning   
   >   
   > Words such as where, when, what,   
   > why, how and who disappear and then   
   > and there could be a non-thing naturally.   
   >   
   > Here and now can be the Great Present   
   > unfolding as if it were not a thing,   
   > not a noun, yet as a verb.   
   >   
   > Metaphysical realities vary.   
   >   
   > - thanks! Cheers!   
      
      
   I don't know what to say,   
   I don't know what to do.   
   My words have flown away,   
   My thoughts have left me too.   
      
   I don't know what to do,   
   I don't know what to say,   
   I've nothing fresh or new,   
   To offer you today.   
      
   - Ned   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)