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|    Is Jesus God or sent by God? (1/2)    |
|    12 Jul 13 04:12:37    |
      Is Jesus God or sent by God?                     The first of a two-part article discussing the true role of Jesus. Part 1:       Discusses whether Jesus called himself God, Jesus referred to as Lord and the       nature of Jesus.                     Jesus is a figure who is loved and revered by billions of people the world       over. Yet there is so much confusion surrounding the status of this colossal       personality. Muslims and Christians both hold Jesus in high regard but view       him in very different        ways.              The questions raised in this article aim to get to the heart of the issues       surrounding Jesus: Is Jesus God? Or was he sent by God? Who was the real       historical Jesus?              Some ambiguous verses of the Bible can be applied erroneously to show that       Jesus is in some way divine. But if we look at the clear, direct verses of       the Bible, we see again and again that Jesus is being referred to as an       extraordinary human being and        nothing more. What emerges, when we consider the historical and logical facts       about Jesus’ life, is conclusive proof not only that Jesus cannot be God, but       that he never claimed to be either.              What follows are five lines of reasoning which clarify this subject for us       through the Bible itself and thereby allow us to discover the real Jesus.              1. Jesus Never Calls Himself God              The Bible (in spite of being changed and adulterated over time) contains many       verses in which Jesus speaks of God as a separate person to himself. Here are       just a few of them:              When a man addressed Jesus as “Good Teacher”, he replied “Why do you call me       good? No one is good except the one God.’’ [Mark 10:18]              In another instance he says: “I can’t do anything by myself. Whatever I hear,       I judge, and my judgment is just. I don’t seek my own will but the will of       the one who sent me.” [John 5:30]              Jesus speaks of God as a separate being to himself: I’m going up to my Father       and your Father, to my God and your God. [John 20:17]       In this verse he affirms that he was sent by God: This is eternal life: to       know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you sent. [John 17:3]              If Jesus was God he would have told people to worship him, but he did the       opposite and disapproved anyone worshipping him: And in vain they worship Me       [Matthew 15:9]              If Jesus claimed to be God than there should be hundreds of verses in the       Bible which would have mentioned it. But there is not a single verse in the       entire Bible in which Jesus says I am God, worship me.              2. Jesus as Son and Lord?              Jesus is sometimes referred to as ‘Lord’ in the Bible and at other times as       ‘Son of God’. God is called the ‘Father’, so putting these names together it       could be claimed that Jesus is the son of God. But if we look at each of       these titles in context we        will find that they are symbolic and not to be taken literally.              ‘Son of God’ is a term used in ancient Hebrew for a righteous person. God       calls Israel his ‘son’: This is what the LORD says: Israel is my oldest       son.[Exodus 4:22]. Also, David is called the ‘Son of God’: The LORD has said       to Me, ‘You are My Son, Today        I have begotten You.’ [Psalm 2:7]. In fact anyone who is righteous is       referred to as God’s ‘son’: All who are led by God’s Spirit are God’s sons and       daughters. [Romans 8:14].              In the same way, when the word ‘Father’ is used to refer to God it shouldn’t       be taken literally. Instead it’s a way of saying God is the creator,       sustainer, cherisher etc. There are many verses for us to understand this       symbolic meaning of the word ‘       Father’, for example: one God and Father of all. [Ephesians 4:6].              Jesus is sometimes called ‘Lord’ by the disciples. ‘Lord’ is a term used for       God and also for people who are held in high esteem. There are many examples       of the word ‘Lord’ being used for people in the Bible: So they (Joseph’s       brothers) went up to        Joseph’s steward and spoke to him at the entrance to the house. “We beg your       pardon, our lord,” they said. [Genesis 43:19-20]. Also, in other parts of       the Bible, Jesus is even called a ‘servant’ of God by the disciples: the God       of our fathers, has        glorified his servant Jesus. [Acts 3:13]. This clearly shows that when       ‘Lord’ is used to refer to Jesus, it is a title of respect not of divinity.              3. The Nature of Jesus              The nature of Jesus was totally different to that of God. There are many       parts of the Bible that highlight this difference in nature:              God is All-Knowing but Jesus by his own admission was not All-Knowing. This       can be seen in the following passage when Jesus says “But nobody knows when       that day or hour will come, not the heavenly angels and not the Son. Only the       Father knows.” [       Matthew 24:36]              God is independent and he doesn’t need sleep, food or water. Jesus however       ate, drank, slept and depended on God: As the living Father sent me, and I       live because of the Father. [John 6:57]. Another sign of Jesus’ dependence       on God is that he prayed        to God: Going a little farther, he (Jesus) fell with his face to the ground       and prayed [Matthew 26:39]. This shows that Jesus himself sought help from       God. God, being the one who answers prayers does not need to pray to anyone.        Also, Jesus said: I am        going to the Father, because the Father is greater than me. [John 14:28].              The Bible is clear that God is unseen and is not a man: for no one may see me       and live. [Exodus 33:20], God is not a man [Numbers 23:19]. Jesus on the       other hand was a man who was seen by thousands of people, so he could not be       God. Furthermore, the        Bible makes it clear that God is too great to be inside his creation: But how       could God possibly live on earth with people? If heaven, even the highest       heaven, can’t contain you [2 Chronicles 6:18]. According to this verse Jesus       cannot be God living on        the earth.              Also the Bible calls Jesus a Prophet [Matthew 21:10-11], so how could Jesus be       God and be God’s Prophet at the same time? That wouldn’t make sense.              Additionally the Bible informs us that God does not change: I the Lord do not       change. [Malachi 3:6:]. Jesus however went through many changes in his life       such as age, height, weight etc.              These are just some of the proofs within the Bible, which make it clear that       the nature of Jesus and God is completely different. Some people may claim       that Jesus had both a human and a divine nature. This is a claim that Jesus       never made, and is in        clear contradiction to the Bible which maintains that God has one nature.              4. The Message of Jesus                     [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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