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   From: dalton@nfld.com   
      
   Did Hindu avatars have deities of their own or did they   
   get their openings of the way done via their own abilities?   
      
   Years ago I referred to myself as an avatar type but   
   more recently I have been referring to such figures,   
   including myself and Rama and Krishna, as ootws   
   (Openers of the Way).   
      
   From another thread:   
      
   My latest attempt failed and as promised I have renounced   
   all of my deities. However, considering that Buddha and   
   Lao Tzu and others probably got workings on without   
   deities, I have decided to try again as best I can using my   
   own abilities, though drawing on some collaborators   
   possibly including you (in Magic Circle 2).   
      
   For details see the 94 line post   
   "Only Human?/In the arms of this angel”   
   on alt.religion.druid .   
      
   (But note that some traditions, including some traditional   
   Scottish witch traditions, also do not draw on deities.)   
      
   --   
   https://www.nfld.com/~dalton/dtales.html Salmon on the Thorns (mystic page)   
   “The strap that holds the cart in rein; Has been let loose by wearing thin   
   By wearing thin, by biting through; The shift in power leans to you" (Ferron)   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)