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From: jane.playne@gmail.com
On 2/14/2012 09:51, Leon Manfredi wrote:
> On Tue, 14 Feb 2012 12:52:12 -0800 (PST), jane wrote:
>
>> On Feb 14, 1:13 pm, SilentOtto wrote:
>>> On Feb 14, 12:49 pm, jane wrote:
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>>>> On Feb 14, 12:29 pm, Juris Diction wrote:
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>>>>> In article, Neal Boortz
>>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> This whole so-called “accommodation” that Obama and his health care czar
>>>>>> announced last Friday is a complete and absolute fraud. I’ll explain
>>>>>> this, but first let’s make sure you know why this is an issue in the
>>>>>> first place.
>>>
>>>>>> What we have here is a pure election-year ploy for the woman’s vote.
>>>>>> Contraception isn’t expensive. Women can have their birth control pills
>>>>>> every month for less than they typically spend on makeup. The whole
>>>>>> ploy here is to set up contraception as a basic right for every woman …
>>>>>> to make it a basic part of health care that every woman is “entitled
>>>>>> to.” The goal here is to be able to tell voters in future elections
>>>>>> that if you elect Republicans they will “take away your health care.” I
>>>>>> can see the campaign ads now: “So-and-so (The GOP candidate) wants to
>>>>>> take away women’s right to basic health care services.”
>>>
>>>>>> But what about this head fake Dear Ruler delivered last Friday? All we
>>>>>> have to do is present a simple before and after comparison.
>>>
>>>>>> Before: Obama’s mandate was that religious institutions had to provide
>>>>>> for “free” contraception for all females working for those institutions
>>>>>> through the health insurance policies provided to those workers.
>>>
>>>>>> After: Now the health insurance companies are simply going to have to
>>>>>> provide “free” coverage for contraceptives in all health insurance
>>>>>> policies.
>>>
>>>>>> Can someone please tell me the difference here? If Caesar Obammus steps
>>>>>> forward and mandates that all insurance policies must pay for
>>>>>> contraceptives, aren’t those insurance companies simply going to factor
>>>>>> the cost of that coverage into the premiums paid by the employers?
>>>>>> Doesn’t this mean that these Catholic institutions are still going to be
>>>>>> paying for contraceptives?
>>>
>>>>>> But wait! Maybe Obama will “clarify” his mandate and tell the insurance
>>>>>> companies that they cannot increase premiums to pay for his
>>>>>> contraceptive mandate … or for any other mandate he comes up with.
>>>>>> Don’t put this one past him. It would, after all, hasten the bankruptcy
>>>>>> of these insurance companies … and that is the ObamaCare final solution.
>>>>>> When the insurance companies are run out of business the government
>>>>>> will be there to take over with the coveted (by proggies) single-payer
>>>>>> plan.
>>>
>>>>> What an idiot!
>>>>> It's cheaper to give a woman birth control pills than it is for the
>>>>> insurance companies to have to pay for childbirths and other female
>>>>> problems.
>>>
>>>> Well, then in that case, we should fuck Minority rights and the US
>>>> Constitution.
>>>
>>> Who's minority rights are being trampled, rightard?
>>>
>>> No one is being forced to use anything that their religion prohibits.
>>>
>>>> "our Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring
>>>> about change that I would like sometimes." - Ruler Obama.
>>>
>>>>> PS your concern and compassion for rich insurance companies is
>>>>> ...touching.... I'm choking up.
>>>
>>>> What about the businesses and organizations that are self insured?
>>>
>>> What about them, rightard.
>>>
>>> If a church wants to engage in secular activities, then they have to
>>> abide by secular laws.
>>>
>>> We have never held that an individual's religious beliefs excuse him
>>> from compliance with an otherwise valid law prohibiting conduct that
>>> the State is free to regulate. On the contrary, the record of more
>>> than a century of our free exercise jurisprudence contradicts that
>>> proposition. - Justice Anthony Scalia - Employment Division,
>>> Department of Human Resources of Oregon vs. Smith
>>>
>>> Really, rightard...
>>>
>>> It's not that complicated.
>>>
>>> Heh heh...
>>>
>>> Lying racist rightard socialists...
>>>
>>> Batshit crazy and dogshit stupid, every single last one of you.
>>
>> First, why do you call me a rightard? I find it wrong that the
>> government considers smoking a plant a criminal offense; I don't care
>> who marries whom or how many spouses a person has; I personally feel
>> that the states should get out of the business of selling marriage
>> licenses; and I believe marriage should be a personal agreement
>> between people rather than an agreement between people and the state.
>>
>> First and foremost, I am for the defense of liberty, even the liberty
>> that does not affect me. Does that make me a rightart?
>>
>> I find it interesting that you choose the SCOTUS decision that you
>> did. It is an agreement that PROHIBITS an illegal action. I agree.
>> For example, if you have a religious belief that your crops will
>> benefit by sacrificing a virgin, then the Constitution does not permit
>> you to murder based on religious belief. In the current issue, the
>> federal government is demanding an employer to DO SOMETHING that
>> violates his religion. See the difference?
>>
>> Additionally, I am not sure, but I believe that the SCOTUS decision
>> that you referenced involved a person who wanted to smoke payote as
>> part of his religion. THAT brings up an interesting discussion: Do
>> you REALLY think that it is the providence of a government to make
>> smoking a plant in your own home a criminal offense?
>>
>> Are there absolutely NO liberties that you are willing to defend???
>>
> Smoking has been deemed as a criminal offense, because it involves the rest
of us.
I was referring to smoking peyote in the privacy of your own Teepee or
MJ in the privacy of your own home. Both of those are criminal offenses.
> Mainly, that God given right for all of us, to breath clean air any where we
go, to
> eat, work, play, sleep, or even getting a piece of the action.... Secondly,
it
> affects all of us financially, as well as government services, when you need
the kind
> of care you need for something you brought on to yourself..
>
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