XPost: alt.fan.neal.boortz, alt.politics.usa, alt.politics.usa.constitution   
   From: none@none.com   
      
   On 6/29/2012 2:15 PM, george conklin wrote:   
   > On 6/29/2012 8:26 AM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >> On 6/29/2012 11:06 AM, george conklin wrote:   
   >>> On 6/29/2012 7:56 AM, Peter Franks wrote:   
   >>>> On 6/29/2012 9:35 AM, george conklin wrote:   
   >>>>> On 6/28/2012 10:00 AM, Neal Boortz wrote:   
   >>>>>> The Imperial Federal Government is now poised to take over 18% of our   
   >>>>>> economy.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> This kind of false statement was made by those opposed to Medicare   
   >>>>> too.   
   >>>>>   It was a lie then, and is a lie now.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Would you care to elaborate how Obamacare or Medicare are part of a   
   >>>> just   
   >>>> government?  After all, just governments are instituted to /secure   
   >>>> rights/.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So, what right is being secured here?   
   >>>   
   >>> The right to life.   
   >>   
   >> No right compels.  Obamacare and Medicare compel.   
   >>   
   >> You have the right to preserve and protect your own life.  You have a   
   >> right to choose healthcare or not, if available.  You do not have a   
   >> right to healthcare.  You do not have a right to compel others to   
   >> provide a service for you.  You do not have a right to compel others to   
   >> pay for a service for you.   
   >>   
   >> So, what right is being secured here?   
   >   
   > This would only work if hospitals did not have to provide for the sick   
   > and injured who could not pay.   
      
   Emergent care should be provided by the community for those that are   
   less fortunate AFTER:   
      
   Personal resources have been exhausted.   
   Immediate family resources have been exhausted.   
   Extended family resources have been exhausted.   
   Social group membership resources have been exhausted.   
   Neighborhood resources have been exhausted.   
      
   Chronic, long-term, or general healthcare is the responsibility of the   
   individual.   
      
   Once the individual has been healed, they should then be responsible   
   enough of their own accord to repay all those that provided financial   
   contribution or assistance.   
      
   > But they must.   
      
   That is compulsion.  Forcing someone to do your will.   
      
   > So it makes sense that   
   > everyone has to contribute to the system and not sit it out and depend   
   > on others.   
      
   It only makes sense if you accept that your premise is entirely based on   
   compulsion.  Eliminate compulsion, and your entire argument fails and falls.   
      
   So, what right is being secured here?   
      
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