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   >>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:56:10 -0400, "conklin"    
   >>> wrote:   
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   >>>>"emoneyjoe"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:47:20 -0500, trotsky  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>>On 9/18/12 3:44 AM, emoneyjoe wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:00:00 -0400, Neal Boortz    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> Hollywood is being called up from the ranks, taking orders from the   
   >>>>>>>> Obama   
   >>>>>>>> propagandists.  Are you ready for this?  You see, those who are in   
   >>>>>>>> charge   
   >>>>>>>> of implementing ObamaCare (and those politicians who passed   
   >>>>>>>> ObamaCare)   
   >>>>>>>> see their biggest hurdle as Sselling the idea of ObamaCare or   
   >>>>>>>> communicating its benefits to the great unwashed.  They don? see   
   >>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>> problem with ObamaCare as, ObamaCare itself!  Nope.  They think   
   >>>>>>>> their   
   >>>>>>>> issue is that they can? reach the people to tell them how great it   
   >>>>>>>> is.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> This is where Hollywood comes in.  Apparently some PR firm has been   
   >>>>>>>> hired   
   >>>>>>>> to help get out the message.  One of their ideas is to use   
   >>>>>>>> Hollywood in   
   >>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>> few different ways.  One way would be to create a reality show   
   >>>>>>>> about a   
   >>>>>>>> family living without medical coverage.  Then along comes Barack   
   >>>>>>>> Obama   
   >>>>>>>> and his government takeover of our healthcare industry and .. ta   
   >>>>>>>> da! ..   
   >>>>>>>> I? sure this family will live happily ever after.  Another part of   
   >>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>> plan is to weave ObamaCare into the plots of various popular   
   >>>>>>>> prime-time   
   >>>>>>>> sitcoms.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> I? sure these Hollywood types will have no trouble obliging.  They   
   >>>>>>>> are,   
   >>>>>>>> after all, among those responsible for this SCOAMF currently   
   >>>>>>>> occupying   
   >>>>>>>> the White House.  They?e got to do what they can to protect their   
   >>>>>>>> guy   
   >>>>>>>> in   
   >>>>>>>> November.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>         Those that have not been able to afford   
   >>>>>>> health care will love being forced to buy.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>All that and big business will lose 40 trillion dollars?  Jeez, it   
   >>>>>>sounds like your "facts" are a steaming pile of bullshit.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>        What is this $40 Trillion all about?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>        There are millions of people earning enough   
   >>>>> to not be eligible for federal assistance making   
   >>>>> the ACA premium payments, but are loaded   
   >>>>> down with debt, mortgage, car payments,   
   >>>>> and rising costs for everything from food   
   >>>>> to gasoline.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>        Good the Supreme Court said they can't   
   >>>>> be put in jail for not paying the premiums.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>You mean like giving YOU their bill when they get sick and can't pay?   
   >>>>One-third of your hospital bill covers those who do not have insurance   
   >>>>and   
   >>>>can't pay.   
   >>>   
   >>>       I don't think so, Medicare pays my bill,   
   >>   
   >> Overall one-third of a hospital bill is cost-shifting.   
   >>   
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   >>   
   >> WTF does THAT even mean?  The point is...THE most expensive delivery   
   >> system of healthcare is in emergency rooms...and when conditions haven't   
   >> been treated earlier...or preventive measures taken before patients have   
   >> gotten sicker.   
   >>   
   >   
   > This is true, but it is only a very small part of the overall problem.   
   >   
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   >   
   > Nice rebuttal.  Typical.  We're supposed to take THAT at face value?  That   
   > statement makes little sense.  Certainly addresses nothing.   
   >   
   > But I will agree in this way.  The "for profit" aspect of the health care   
   > machine IS probably the biggest culprit.  For profit hospitals...big   
   > pharma...insurance behemoths...even wealthy overpaid doctors have a HUGE   
   > hand in the problem too.  When exactly DID wealth overtake doing good as a   
   > reason to practice medicine?   
   >   
      
   No, we just pay the health care professionals twice what Europe pays, so we   
   pay twice as much.  Machines are only a small part of it.  And, if we try to   
   use even less care, they will just raise the rates to keep their incomes up.   
   Already we go to doctors at half the rate of Canadians. So, they pay less   
   and get more face time too.   
      
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   Well we're on the same page about how the professionals get paid.  But I   
   can't agree that is the predominant cause either.  I'd rank the insurance   
   and pharmaceutical companies higher.   
      
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