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>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:56:10 -0400, "conklin"
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
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>>>>>"emoneyjoe" wrote in message
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>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:47:20 -0500, trotsky
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 9/18/12 3:44 AM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:00:00 -0400, Neal Boortz
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hollywood is being called up from the ranks, taking orders from
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>> propagandists. Are you ready for this? You see, those who are in
>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>> of implementing ObamaCare (and those politicians who passed
>>>>>>>>> ObamaCare)
>>>>>>>>> see their biggest hurdle as Sselling the idea of ObamaCare or
>>>>>>>>> communicating its benefits to the great unwashed. They don? see
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> problem with ObamaCare as, ObamaCare itself! Nope. They think
>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>> issue is that they can? reach the people to tell them how great it
>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is where Hollywood comes in. Apparently some PR firm has
>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>> hired
>>>>>>>>> to help get out the message. One of their ideas is to use
>>>>>>>>> Hollywood in
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>> few different ways. One way would be to create a reality show
>>>>>>>>> about a
>>>>>>>>> family living without medical coverage. Then along comes Barack
>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>> and his government takeover of our healthcare industry and .. ta
>>>>>>>>> da! ..
>>>>>>>>> I? sure this family will live happily ever after. Another part of
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> plan is to weave ObamaCare into the plots of various popular
>>>>>>>>> prime-time
>>>>>>>>> sitcoms.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I? sure these Hollywood types will have no trouble obliging. They
>>>>>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>>> after all, among those responsible for this SCOAMF currently
>>>>>>>>> occupying
>>>>>>>>> the White House. They?e got to do what they can to protect their
>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> November.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Those that have not been able to afford
>>>>>>>> health care will love being forced to buy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All that and big business will lose 40 trillion dollars? Jeez, it
>>>>>>>sounds like your "facts" are a steaming pile of bullshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What is this $40 Trillion all about?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There are millions of people earning enough
>>>>>> to not be eligible for federal assistance making
>>>>>> the ACA premium payments, but are loaded
>>>>>> down with debt, mortgage, car payments,
>>>>>> and rising costs for everything from food
>>>>>> to gasoline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good the Supreme Court said they can't
>>>>>> be put in jail for not paying the premiums.
>>>>>
>>>>>You mean like giving YOU their bill when they get sick and can't pay?
>>>>>One-third of your hospital bill covers those who do not have insurance
>>>>>and
>>>>>can't pay.
>>>>
>>>> I don't think so, Medicare pays my bill,
>>>
>>> Overall one-third of a hospital bill is cost-shifting.
>>>
>>> ===============================================
>>>
>>> WTF does THAT even mean? The point is...THE most expensive delivery
>>> system of healthcare is in emergency rooms...and when conditions haven't
>>> been treated earlier...or preventive measures taken before patients have
>>> gotten sicker.
>>>
>>
>> This is true, but it is only a very small part of the overall problem.
>>
>> =====================================
>>
>> Nice rebuttal. Typical. We're supposed to take THAT at face value? That
>> statement makes little sense. Certainly addresses nothing.
>>
>> But I will agree in this way. The "for profit" aspect of the health care
>> machine IS probably the biggest culprit. For profit hospitals...big
>> pharma...insurance behemoths...even wealthy overpaid doctors have a HUGE
>> hand in the problem too. When exactly DID wealth overtake doing good as
>> a reason to practice medicine?
>>
>
> No, we just pay the health care professionals twice what Europe pays, so
> we
> pay twice as much. Machines are only a small part of it. And, if we try
> to
> use even less care, they will just raise the rates to keep their incomes
> up.
> Already we go to doctors at half the rate of Canadians. So, they pay less
> and get more face time too.
>
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>
> Well we're on the same page about how the professionals get paid. But I
> can't agree that is the predominant cause either. I'd rank the insurance
> and pharmaceutical companies higher.
>
There have been several reports documenting sky-high wages for medical
professionals. Even nurses: a 2-year degree which would get someone a
$22,000 a year job can have that doubled if the degree gets you the 2-year
RN.
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Well I don't know that I'd start by complaining that 22K for a nurse...entry
level or no...is where the problem is. That's a subsistence salary today.
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