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From: emoneyjoe@iglou.com
On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:25:08 -0400, "Dano"
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>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:56:10 -0400, "conklin"
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>"emoneyjoe" wrote in message
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>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:47:20 -0500, trotsky
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On 9/18/12 3:44 AM, emoneyjoe wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:00:00 -0400, Neal Boortz
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood is being called up from the ranks, taking orders from
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>> propagandists. Are you ready for this? You see, those who are in
>>>>>>>>>> charge
>>>>>>>>>> of implementing ObamaCare (and those politicians who passed
>>>>>>>>>> ObamaCare)
>>>>>>>>>> see their biggest hurdle as Sselling the idea of ObamaCare or
>>>>>>>>>> communicating its benefits to the great unwashed. They don? see
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> problem with ObamaCare as, ObamaCare itself! Nope. They think
>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>> issue is that they can? reach the people to tell them how great it
>>>>>>>>>> is.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is where Hollywood comes in. Apparently some PR firm has
>>>>>>>>>> been
>>>>>>>>>> hired
>>>>>>>>>> to help get out the message. One of their ideas is to use
>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood in
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> few different ways. One way would be to create a reality show
>>>>>>>>>> about a
>>>>>>>>>> family living without medical coverage. Then along comes Barack
>>>>>>>>>> Obama
>>>>>>>>>> and his government takeover of our healthcare industry and .. ta
>>>>>>>>>> da! ..
>>>>>>>>>> I? sure this family will live happily ever after. Another part of
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> plan is to weave ObamaCare into the plots of various popular
>>>>>>>>>> prime-time
>>>>>>>>>> sitcoms.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I? sure these Hollywood types will have no trouble obliging. They
>>>>>>>>>> are,
>>>>>>>>>> after all, among those responsible for this SCOAMF currently
>>>>>>>>>> occupying
>>>>>>>>>> the White House. They?e got to do what they can to protect their
>>>>>>>>>> guy
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> November.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Those that have not been able to afford
>>>>>>>>> health care will love being forced to buy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All that and big business will lose 40 trillion dollars? Jeez, it
>>>>>>>>sounds like your "facts" are a steaming pile of bullshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is this $40 Trillion all about?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There are millions of people earning enough
>>>>>>> to not be eligible for federal assistance making
>>>>>>> the ACA premium payments, but are loaded
>>>>>>> down with debt, mortgage, car payments,
>>>>>>> and rising costs for everything from food
>>>>>>> to gasoline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good the Supreme Court said they can't
>>>>>>> be put in jail for not paying the premiums.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You mean like giving YOU their bill when they get sick and can't pay?
>>>>>>One-third of your hospital bill covers those who do not have insurance
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>can't pay.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think so, Medicare pays my bill,
>>>>
>>>> Overall one-third of a hospital bill is cost-shifting.
>>>>
>>>> ===============================================
>>>>
>>>> WTF does THAT even mean? The point is...THE most expensive delivery
>>>> system of healthcare is in emergency rooms...and when conditions haven't
>>>> been treated earlier...or preventive measures taken before patients have
>>>> gotten sicker.
>>>>
>>>
>>> This is true, but it is only a very small part of the overall problem.
>>>
>>> =====================================
>>>
>>> Nice rebuttal. Typical. We're supposed to take THAT at face value? That
>>> statement makes little sense. Certainly addresses nothing.
>>>
>>> But I will agree in this way. The "for profit" aspect of the health care
>>> machine IS probably the biggest culprit. For profit hospitals...big
>>> pharma...insurance behemoths...even wealthy overpaid doctors have a HUGE
>>> hand in the problem too. When exactly DID wealth overtake doing good as
>>> a reason to practice medicine?
>>>
>>
>> No, we just pay the health care professionals twice what Europe pays, so
>> we
>> pay twice as much. Machines are only a small part of it. And, if we try
>> to
>> use even less care, they will just raise the rates to keep their incomes
>> up.
>> Already we go to doctors at half the rate of Canadians. So, they pay less
>> and get more face time too.
>>
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>>
>> Well we're on the same page about how the professionals get paid. But I
>> can't agree that is the predominant cause either. I'd rank the insurance
>> and pharmaceutical companies higher.
>>
>
>There have been several reports documenting sky-high wages for medical
>professionals. Even nurses: a 2-year degree which would get someone a
>$22,000 a year job can have that doubled if the degree gets you the 2-year
>RN.
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>Well I don't know that I'd start by complaining that 22K for a nurse...entry
>level or no...is where the problem is. That's a subsistence salary today.
The pay here for an RN is $27 an hour and up,
but it is a four year degree, a practical nurse also
gets a good wage, the aides do better than the
$22,000 with only a few weeks schooling.
And overtime is common.
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