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   From: emoneyjoe@iglou.com   
      
   On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 21:44:28 -0400, "conklin"    
   wrote:   
      
   >"emoneyjoe"  wrote in message   
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   >> On Wed, 19 Sep 2012 14:25:08 -0400, "Dano"    
   >> wrote:   
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   >>>"conklin"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>> "Dano"  wrote in message   
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   >>>>>> "emoneyjoe"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>> news:p7hi58h52akir64baun0n8rvbg7umc9rat@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 16:56:10 -0400, "conklin"   
   >>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>"emoneyjoe"  wrote in message   
   >>>>>>>>news:r5ih589hr7si2ddom5ue3bf78rcuc9n35p@4ax.com...   
   >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 18 Sep 2012 05:47:20 -0500, trotsky    
   >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>On 9/18/12 3:44 AM, emoneyjoe wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 17 Sep 2012 13:00:00 -0400, Neal Boortz    
   >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood is being called up from the ranks, taking orders from   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Obama   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> propagandists.  Are you ready for this?  You see, those who are   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> charge   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> of implementing ObamaCare (and those politicians who passed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> ObamaCare)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> see their biggest hurdle as Sselling the idea of ObamaCare or   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> communicating its benefits to the great unwashed.  They don? see   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> problem with ObamaCare as, ObamaCare itself!  Nope.  They think   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> issue is that they can? reach the people to tell them how great   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> it   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> is.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> This is where Hollywood comes in.  Apparently some PR firm has   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> been   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> hired   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> to help get out the message.  One of their ideas is to use   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Hollywood in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> few different ways.  One way would be to create a reality show   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> about a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> family living without medical coverage.  Then along comes Barack   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Obama   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> and his government takeover of our healthcare industry and .. ta   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> da! ..   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I? sure this family will live happily ever after.  Another part   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> plan is to weave ObamaCare into the plots of various popular   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> prime-time   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> sitcoms.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> I? sure these Hollywood types will have no trouble obliging.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> They   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> are,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> after all, among those responsible for this SCOAMF currently   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> occupying   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> the White House.  They?e got to do what they can to protect   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> their   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> guy   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> in   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> November.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>         Those that have not been able to afford   
   >>>>>>>>>>> health care will love being forced to buy.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>All that and big business will lose 40 trillion dollars?  Jeez, it   
   >>>>>>>>>>sounds like your "facts" are a steaming pile of bullshit.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>        What is this $40 Trillion all about?   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>        There are millions of people earning enough   
   >>>>>>>>> to not be eligible for federal assistance making   
   >>>>>>>>> the ACA premium payments, but are loaded   
   >>>>>>>>> down with debt, mortgage, car payments,   
   >>>>>>>>> and rising costs for everything from food   
   >>>>>>>>> to gasoline.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>        Good the Supreme Court said they can't   
   >>>>>>>>> be put in jail for not paying the premiums.   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>You mean like giving YOU their bill when they get sick and can't pay?   
   >>>>>>>>One-third of your hospital bill covers those who do not have   
   >>>>>>>>insurance   
   >>>>>>>>and   
   >>>>>>>>can't pay.   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>       I don't think so, Medicare pays my bill,   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> Overall one-third of a hospital bill is cost-shifting.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> ===============================================   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>> WTF does THAT even mean?  The point is...THE most expensive delivery   
   >>>>>> system of healthcare is in emergency rooms...and when conditions   
   >>>>>> haven't   
   >>>>>> been treated earlier...or preventive measures taken before patients   
   >>>>>> have   
   >>>>>> gotten sicker.   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> This is true, but it is only a very small part of the overall problem.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> =====================================   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Nice rebuttal.  Typical.  We're supposed to take THAT at face value?   
   >>>>> That   
   >>>>> statement makes little sense.  Certainly addresses nothing.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> But I will agree in this way.  The "for profit" aspect of the health   
   >>>>> care   
   >>>>> machine IS probably the biggest culprit.  For profit hospitals...big   
   >>>>> pharma...insurance behemoths...even wealthy overpaid doctors have a   
   >>>>> HUGE   
   >>>>> hand in the problem too.  When exactly DID wealth overtake doing good   
   >>>>> as   
   >>>>> a reason to practice medicine?   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> No, we just pay the health care professionals twice what Europe pays, so   
   >>>> we   
   >>>> pay twice as much.  Machines are only a small part of it.  And, if we   
   >>>> try   
   >>>> to   
   >>>> use even less care, they will just raise the rates to keep their incomes   
   >>>> up.   
   >>>> Already we go to doctors at half the rate of Canadians. So, they pay   
   >>>> less   
   >>>> and get more face time too.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ==============================================   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Well we're on the same page about how the professionals get paid.  But I   
   >>>> can't agree that is the predominant cause either.  I'd rank the   
   >>>> insurance   
   >>>> and pharmaceutical companies higher.   
   >>>>   
   >>>   
   >>>There have been several reports documenting sky-high wages for medical   
   >>>professionals.  Even nurses: a 2-year degree which would get someone a   
   >>>$22,000 a year job can have that doubled if the degree gets you the 2-year   
   >>>RN.   
   >>>   
   >>>==========================================   
   >>>   
   >>>Well I don't know that I'd start by complaining that 22K for a   
   >>>nurse...entry   
   >>>level or no...is where the problem is.  That's a subsistence salary today.   
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