From: hrubin@skew.stat.purdue.edu   
      
   On 2012-11-16, conklin  wrote:   
      
   > "cloud dreamer"  wrote in message   
   > news:RdKdnQLA86NkHzjNnZ2dnUVZ_o2dnZ2d@supernews.com...   
   >> On 15/11/2012 8:27 PM, conklin wrote:   
   >>> "Ubiquitous"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:k82m2k$a7n$4@dont-email.me...   
      
   >>>> "The United States will require at least 52,000 more family doctors in   
   >>>> the year 2025 to keep up with the growing and increasingly older U.S.   
   >>>> population, a new study found," reports ABC News:   
      
   >>>> The predictions also reflect the passage of the Affordable   
   >>>> Care Act--a change that will expand health insurance coverage   
   >>>> to an additional 38 million Americans. . . .   
      
   >>>> "It's pretty tough to convince medical students to go into   
   >>>> primary care," said Dr. Lee Green, chair of Family Medicine   
   >>>> at the University of Alberta, who was not involved with the   
   >>>> study. . . .   
      
   >>>> "[Patients] won't be able to see a primary care physician   
   >>>> hardly," he said. "Primary care will be past saturated with   
   >>>> wait times longer and will not accept any new patients. There   
   >>>> will be an increase in hospitalizations and increase in death   
   >>>> rates for basic preventable things like hypertension that was   
   >>>> not managed adequately."   
      
   >>>> But at least a lot more people will have insurance!   
      
   >>>> The Montreal Gazette reports on how this works out in a country where   
   >>>> everyone has insurance courtesy of the government:   
      
   >>>> Surgery wait times for deadly ovarian, cervical and breast   
   >>>> cancers in Quebec are three times longer than government   
   >>>> benchmarks, leading some desperate patients to shop around   
   >>>> for an operating room.   
      
   >>>> But that's a waste of time, doctors say, since the problem is   
   >>>> spread across Quebec hospitals. And doctors are refusing to   
   >>>> accept new patients quickly because they can't treat them,   
   >>>> health advocates say.   
      
   >>>> A leading Montreal gynecologist said that these days, she   
   >>>> cannot look her patients in the eye because the wait times   
   >>>> are so shocking. Lack of resources, including nursing staff   
   >>>> and budget compressions, are driving a backlog of surgeries   
   >>>> while operating rooms stand empty. The latest figures from   
   >>>> the provincial government show that over a span of nearly 11   
   >>>> months, 7,780 patients in the Montreal area waited six months   
   >>>> or longer for day surgeries, while another 2,957 waited for six   
   >>>> months or longer for operations that required hospitalization.   
      
   >>>> The worst cases are gynecological cancers, experts say, because   
   >>>> usually such a cancer has already spread by the time it is   
   >>>> detected. Instead of four weeks from diagnosis to surgery,   
   >>>> patients are waiting as long as three months to have cancerous   
   >>>> growths removed.   
      
   >>>> Barack Obama's re-election pretty well ensures that we're stuck with   
   >>>> ObamaCare. And as the Hill notes, "Obama won women by 12 percentage   
   >>>> points, while Mitt Romney won men by 8."   
      
      
   >>>> --   
   >>>> "Re-electing Obama is like backing The Titanic up and hitting the   
   >>>> iceberg a second time."   
      
      
      
   >>> In the meantime, American women without health insurance can only be   
   >>> "stabilized" at a hospital, not offered or given cancer treatments and   
   >>> never   
   >>> chemotherapy.  Delay for them is the grave.   
      
      
      
      
   >> Yeah. His solution is that since there are not enough doctors, the poor   
   >> should go without care.   
      
   >> Health care for profit is obscene.   
      
   >>  ..   
      
   > The libertarian position is that if you don't have the cash, you don't get   
   > the service.  Further, the rich deserve better health care anyway, just like   
   > they drive more expensive cars.  So they can drive more expensive doctors.   
   > Charity, aka begging, is the alterntive.  Place your collection try next to   
   > the cashier at McDonalds, and watch the cash flow in.   
      
   Of course the rich deserve better health care, just as they "deserve"   
   better food and better housing.  Or would you have Obamafood and   
   Obamahousing?  In that case, we could only get tenements.   
      
   Money spent AND INVESTED by those who earn are what drives the   
   economy, and those who work for a fixed income without prospect   
   of advancement, if not caught in a bind, are unlikely to produce   
   any progress, although they may still benefit society.  We are   
   now at the stage where the riders outnumber the pullers, and if   
   there was any place where the pullers can go, they will, and this   
   applies to any given puller.   
      
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   hrubin@stat.purdue.edu         Phone: (765)494-6054   FAX: (765)494-0558   
      
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