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   From: Obveeus@aol.com   
      
   "Mason Barge"  wrote:   
      
   > On Sat, 17 Nov 2012 16:09:11 -0500, "conklin"    
   > wrote:   
   >>Charter schools do not better with the same student body as regular   
   >>schools   
   >>do.  Your assumptions are simpy wrong about both medicine AND schools.   
   >   
   > And so why do they have to hold lotteries because there are so many more   
   > children who want to go to them than there are spaces available?   
      
   There is a difference between successful results and successful advertising.   
   People (parents, not the children as you suggest) push to get into the   
   charter schools for the promise of a better education, but that doesn't mean   
   that it exists.  The charter schools get a bit initial benefit because the   
   parents that are choosing that route are frequently the parents most   
   interested in their kids' education...so the Charter schools get the best   
   kids to start out with.  The charter schools are also trying to improve   
   quality largely by avoiding the problem costs (like mentally disabled kids   
   that will fail every test and cost 4x as much to 'teach') of a public   
   education.  The thing is, after they have been open awhile (long enough that   
   test scores reflect what the kids learned in the school rather than what the   
   kids knew before being put in the school), lots of them reveal the lesser   
   education that they offer.  Thus comes phase two with two options:   
      
   1.  Crappy charter schools change their name or change their management or   
   move two blocks over to a new location and open again...thus getting a do   
   over on the bad results.   
      
   2.  Successful charter schools attract greater demand and cannot keep taking   
   public funds while dodging the problem students so they end up having to   
   start enrolling the mentally disabled kids, ADD kids, kids whose parents   
   want to get them away from the gangs, etc... and those charter schools are   
   now faced with the same burdens of the public schools.   
      
   In the long term, when it all washes out, the Charter schools are at a   
   disadvantage because they have less land/busing/etc... facilities to work   
   with and cannot make up for that cost disadvantage simply by lowering the   
   pay/benefits of their teachers.   
      
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