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   From: hrubin@skew.stat.purdue.edu   
      
   On 2013-10-11, conklin  wrote:   
      
   > "Herman Rubin"  wrote in message   
   > news:slrnl5bbpb.1kf.hrubin@skew.stat.purdue.edu...   
   >> On 2013-10-08, conklin  wrote:   
      
   >>> "Ubiquitous"  wrote in message   
   >>> news:l2s13m$q1b$2@dont-email.me...   
   >>>> By David Hogberg   
      
   >>>> The president should have delayed opening Obamacare exchanges at least a   
   >>>> year.   
      
   >>>> If President Obama were really clever, he'd jump at the Republicans'   
   >>>> proposal in the continuing resolution to delay Obamacare for one year. A   
   >>>> one-year delay is the perhaps the only chance to prevent the Obamacare   
   >>>> exchanges from becoming a disaster.   
      
      
      
   >>> You only want universal health care coverage (or as close as we can get   
   >>> to   
   >>> it)   
   >>> to fail.  There is no "death spiral."  There are a limited number of very   
   >>> sick people who require more care.  With a national pool of all ages,   
   >>> they   
   >>> would be handled efficiently.  You want health insurance to be like auto   
   >>> insurance:  if you get sick, it gets canceled.  You are the sick one   
   >>> posting   
   >>> here.   
      
   >> Adequate medical care to all people is impossible; the reseources   
   >> do not exist.   
      
   > Funny, Europe does just that Herman.  We pay twice as much to cover fewer   
   > people.  Given what we spend on medical services, we should be able to   
   > cover, easily, a population of 600 million people.   
      
   Europe does NOT do that; it limits medical care by law.  I have read   
   that Obamacare would refuse cancer treatments to anyone over 75.  I   
   will be 87 this month, and I am still doing well mentally.   
      
   Many Europeans come to the US for specialized treatment, as do the   
   "upper classes" over the globe.  And Americans go to foreign countries   
   for treatments which are prohibited here, or because hospital charges   
   are so high, again because of laws.  We need MORE freedom, not more   
   government.  The market will cause improvements; take the market away,   
   and who will be able to do the expensive medical research?  Europe and   
   Israel are doing some, but most is now done in the US.   
      
      
   It is not money, it is resources.  We do not have enough doctors,   
   nurses, etc., and many of them are not very competent.  Obamacare   
   would pay all doctors in the same specialty the same; it is not   
   exactly clear what that means.  It would be foolish to pay a master   
   mechanic the same as one who can only do lubes and oil changes; I   
   have also "fired" doctors who would not discuss, but only tell me   
   what to do.  I suspect that most doctors, when prescribing a drug,   
   tell their patients little about the problems; I have educated a   
   former doctor, a good one who had to retire for health reasons,   
   about restrictions on interactions with other medications, not   
   stated in the samples hw handed me.  This is much the rule, not   
   the exception.   
      
   Notice that Obama has refused to remove the increased benefits for   
   lawmakers, their staffs, politicians, and certain unspecified   
   do-gooders.  You can imagine where this is going.   
      
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   This address is for information only.  I do not claim that these views   
   are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.   
   Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University   
   hrubin@stat.purdue.edu         Phone: (765)494-6054   FAX: (765)494-0558   
      
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