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   XPost: can.politics, sci.med   
   From: abelard3@abelard.org   
      
   On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 09:56:26 +0000, johnny-knowall    
   wrote:   
      
   >On 12 Jan 2018, abelard wrote   
   >(in article):   
   >   
   >> On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 02:21:13 +0000 (UTC), "No Healthcare For YOU!!"   
   >>   wrote:   
   >>   
   >> > Americans Die Younger Despite Spending the Most on Health Care   
   >> > By Laurie Meisler   
   >> > August 2, 2017   
   >> > Typically, the more a developed country spends on health care, the longer   
   >> > its   
   >> > people live.   
   >>   
   >> where is your evidence?   
   >>   
   >> public health measures such as water treatment, diet, exercise and   
   >> vaccination are far more important than 'health care'   
   >   
   >Isn’t vaccination part of healthcare?   
      
   depends on your definitions...it is preventative...not corrective   
      
   heath care is generally trying to fix things once you're already   
       in trouble or strife   
      
   >> > The U.S., which spends the most on health care, bucks that   
   >> > trend. Compared to the 35 countries in the Organization for Economic   
   >> > Cooperation and Development, which promotes policies to improve social and   
   >> > economic well-being, the U.S. life expectancy of 78.8 years ranks 27th.   
   >>   
   >> they also spend more on hamburgers   
   >   
   >Which, rather strangely, seem to contain 0% ham.   
      
   more socialists trying to destroy language :-)   
      
   >> > It   
   >> > has the fourth highest infant mortality rate in the OECD, the sixth   
   highest   
   >> > maternal mortality rate   
   >>   
   >> nonsense, they have a more strict definition of live birth   
   >   
   >What, births that are alive? Surely not?   
      
   you might imagine that...but it ain't so...   
   some definitions even work on one year...some on one breath and so on   
      
   the usa saves more premie baybees..more of those die than in countries   
       where no premies survive so early   
      
   in the usa the registration is very strict where it is sloppy   
   elsewhere   
      and so on   
      
   >> > and the ninth highest likelihood of dying at a   
   >> > younger age from a host of ailments, including cardiovascular disease and   
   >> > cancer.   
   >>   
   >> more nonsense...they have a high survival rate...   
   >> fat increases risk of just about all diseases including cancer..   
   >> their survival rate is high on like for like   
   >>   
   >> america also has at least 10-15 million illegals, mostly from third   
   >> world countries   
   >   
   >Ah yes, so its the fault of the illegals (who must be socialists) again?   
      
   i'm sure you are correct...   
      
   they form a sub-group within a population with far lower health   
       standards...eg their diet means they are less healthy at   
       'adulthood'...poverty is a major heath risk   
      
   >> you are a very dishonest and cowardly poster   
   >>   
   >> > The U.S. is the most obese country in the OECD, leads in drug-related   
   deaths   
   >> > and ranks 33rd in prevalence of diabetes. Yet 88 percent of Americans say   
   >> > they are in good or very good health, according to OECD statistics. Only   
   35   
   >> > percent of Japanese, who have the highest life expectancy in the OECD,   
   >> > regard   
   >> > themselves as healthy or very healthy.   
   >> >   
   >> > Unlike other countries in the OECD, the U.S. mostly relies on voluntary   
   >> > health insurance to fund health-care costs. Public health insurance, such   
   as   
   >> > Medicare and Medicaid, accounts for 27 percent of coverage. By contrast,   
   the   
   >> > 10 countries with the highest life expectancy depend on voluntary   
   insurance   
   >> > for an average of less than 6 percent of their costs, and government   
   >> > spending   
   >> > for nearly half.   
   >>   
   >> where is your evidence?   
   >>   
   >> if gov't spends 'nearly half', where does the rest come from?   
   >> the money tree?   
   >   
   >If by “money tree”, you mean quantitative easing; then yes - more than   
   >likely.   
      
   the usa is immensely rich...it chooses to spend a considerably   
        higher amount of personal wealth on health care...   
   being better off gives you more choices, especially if the   
       government doesn't take and waste your money....   
   anything where gov't is involved means you have less choices   
        and more corruption   
      
   >> > One big reason U.S. health care costs are so high: pharmaceutical   
   spending.   
   >> > The U.S. spends more per capita on prescription medicines and over-the-   
   >> > counter products than any other country in the OECD.   
   >> >   
   >> > https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2017-health-care-spending/   
   >   
   >That is because in many states, between 25% and 35% of the adult population   
   >are obese, and between 15% and 20% of children are also obese.   
      
   it is a considerable factor   
      
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