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      XPost: alt.politics.trump, talk.politics.guns, sac.politics       XPost: alt.society.liberalism       From: hillary@bleachbit.com              Xuewu Liu, a Chinese inventor who has no medical training or       credentials of any kind, is charging cancer patients $20,000 for       access to an AI-driven but entirely unproven treatment that       includes injecting a highly concentrated dose of chlorine dioxide,       a toxic bleach solution, directly into cancerous tumors.              One patient tells WIRED her tumor has grown faster since the       procedure and that she suspects it may have caused her cancer to       spread—a claim Liu disputes—while experts allege his marketing of       the treatment has likely put him on the wrong side of US       regulations. Nonetheless, while Liu currently only offers the       treatment informally in China and at a German clinic, he is now       working with a Texas-based former pharmaceutical executive to bring       his treatment to America. They believe that the appointment of       Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as US health secretary will help “open doors”       to get the untested treatment—in which at least one clinic in       California appears to have interest—approved in the US.              Kennedy’s Make America Healthy Again movement is embracing       alternative medicines and the idea of giving patients the freedom       to try unproven treatments. While the health secretary did not       respond to a request for comment about Liu’s treatment, he did       mention chlorine dioxide when questioned about President Donald       Trump’s Operation Warp Speed during his Senate confirmation hearing       in February, and the Food and Drug Administration recently removed       a warning about the substance from its website. The agency says the       removal was part of a routine process of archiving old pages on its       site, but it has had the effect of emboldening the bleacher       community.              “Without the FDA’s heavy-handed warnings, it’s likely my therapy       would have been accepted for trials years earlier, with       institutional partnerships and investor support,” Liu tells WIRED.       He says he wrote to Kennedy earlier this year urging him to conduct       more research on chlorine dioxide. “This quiet removal won’t       immediately change everything, but it opens a door. If mainstream       media reports on this shift, I believe it will unlock a new wave of       serious [chlorine dioxide] research.”              For decades, pseudoscience grifters have peddled chlorine dioxide       solutions—sold under a variety of names, such as Miracle Mineral       Solution—and despite warnings and prosecutions have continued to       claim the toxic substance is a “cure” for everything from HIV to       Covid-19 to autism. There is no credible evidence to back up any of       these claims, which critics have long labeled as nothing more than       a grift.              The treatments typically involve drinking liquid chlorine dioxide       on a regular basis, using solutions with concentrations of chlorine       dioxide of around 3,000 parts per million (ppm), which is diluted       further in water.              Liu’s treatment, however, involves a much higher concentration of       chlorine dioxide—injections of several milliliters of 20,000       ppm—and, rather than drinking it, patients have it injected       directly into their tumors.              Liu claims he has injected himself with the solution more than 50       times and suffered no side effects. “This personal data point       encouraged me to continue research,” he says.              Most Popular       The First Planned Migration of an Entire Country Is Underway       Environment       The First Planned Migration of an Entire Country Is Underway       By Fernanda González       Silicon Valley AI Startups Are Embracing China’s Controversial       ‘996’ Work Schedule       Startups       Silicon Valley AI Startups Are Embracing China’s Controversial       ‘996’ Work Schedule       By Kate Knibbs       Paramount Has a $1.5 Billion South Park Problem       TV       Paramount Has a $1.5 Billion South Park Problem       By Manisha Krishnan       The Texas Floods Were a Preview of What’s to Come       Environment       The Texas Floods Were a Preview of What’s to Come       By Tik Root       Liu has been making the solution in his rented apartment in Beijing       by mixing citric acid with sodium chlorite, according to an account       he shared earlier this month on his Substack that revealed that a       “violent explosion” occurred when he made a mistake.              “The blast blacked out my vision,” Liu wrote. “Dense clouds of       chlorine dioxide burst into my face, filling my eyes, nose, and       mouth. I stumbled back into the apartment, rushing to the bathroom       to wash out the gas from my eyes and respiratory tract. My lungs       were burning. Later, I would find 4–5 cuts on my upper thigh—shards       of glass had pierced through my pants.” Liu also revealed that his       3-year-old daughter was nearby when the explosion happened.              Liu began a preclinical study on animals in 2016, before beginning       to use the highly concentrated solution to treat human patients in       more recent years. He claims that between China and Germany, he has       treated 20 patients to date.              When asked for evidence to back up his claims of efficacy, Liu       shared links to a number of preprints, which have not been peer-       reviewed, with WIRED. He also shared a pitch deck for a $5 million       seed round in a US-focused startup that would provide the chlorine       dioxide injections.              The presentation contains a number of “case studies” of patients he       has treated—including a dog—but rather than featuring detailed       scientific data, the deck contains disturbing images of the       patients’ tumors. The deck also contains, as evidence of the       treatment’s efficacy, a screenshot of a WhatsApp conversation with       a patient who was apparently treating a liver tumor with chlorine       dioxide.              “Screenshots of WhatsApp chats with patients or their doctors is       not evidence of efficacy, yet that is the only evidence he       provides,” says Alex Morozov, an oncologist who has overseen       hundreds of drug trials at multiple companies including Pfizer.       “Needless to say, until appropriate studies are done and published       in peer-reviewed journals, or presented at a reputable conference,       no patients should be treated except in the context of clinical       trials.”              WIRED spoke to a patient of Liu’s, whose descriptions of the       treatment appear to undermine his claims of efficacy and raise       serious questions about its safety.              “I bought the needles online and made the chlorine dioxide by       myself [then] I injected it into the tumor and lymph nodes by       myself,” says the patient, a Chinese national living in the UK.       WIRED granted her anonymity to protect her privacy.              The patient had previously been taking oral solutions of chlorine       dioxide as an alternative treatment for cancer, but, unsatisfied       with the results, she contacted Liu via WhatsApp. On a spring       evening last year, she took her first injection of chlorine dioxide       and, she says, almost immediately suffered negative side effects.              “It was fine after the injection, but I was woken up by severe pain       [like] I had never experienced in my life,” she says. “The pain       lasted for three to four days.”              Despite the pain, she says, she injected herself again two months              [continued in next message]              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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