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   Bleachbit to All   
   Was Trump right about bleach? An Invento   
   27 Jul 25 23:06:40   
   
   XPost: alt.politics.trump, talk.politics.guns, sac.politics   
   XPost: alt.society.liberalism   
   From: hillary@bleachbit.com   
      
   Xuewu Liu, a Chinese inventor who has no medical training or   
   credentials of any kind, is charging cancer patients $20,000 for   
   access to an AI-driven but entirely unproven treatment that   
   includes injecting a highly concentrated dose of chlorine dioxide,   
   a toxic bleach solution, directly into cancerous tumors.   
      
   One patient tells WIRED her tumor has grown faster since the   
   procedure and that she suspects it may have caused her cancer to   
   spread—a claim Liu disputes—while experts allege his marketing of   
   the treatment has likely put him on the wrong side of US   
   regulations. Nonetheless, while Liu currently only offers the   
   treatment informally in China and at a German clinic, he is now   
   working with a Texas-based former pharmaceutical executive to bring   
   his treatment to America. They believe that the appointment of   
   Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as US health secretary will help “open doors”   
   to get the untested treatment—in which at least one clinic in   
   California appears to have interest—approved in the US.   
      
   Kennedy’s Make America Healthy Again movement is embracing   
   alternative medicines and the idea of giving patients the freedom   
   to try unproven treatments. While the health secretary did not   
   respond to a request for comment about Liu’s treatment, he did   
   mention chlorine dioxide when questioned about President Donald   
   Trump’s Operation Warp Speed during his Senate confirmation hearing   
   in February, and the Food and Drug Administration recently removed   
   a warning about the substance from its website. The agency says the   
   removal was part of a routine process of archiving old pages on its   
   site, but it has had the effect of emboldening the bleacher   
   community.   
      
   “Without the FDA’s heavy-handed warnings, it’s likely my therapy   
   would have been accepted for trials years earlier, with   
   institutional partnerships and investor support,” Liu tells WIRED.   
   He says he wrote to Kennedy earlier this year urging him to conduct   
   more research on chlorine dioxide. “This quiet removal won’t   
   immediately change everything, but it opens a door. If mainstream   
   media reports on this shift, I believe it will unlock a new wave of   
   serious [chlorine dioxide] research.”   
      
   For decades, pseudoscience grifters have peddled chlorine dioxide   
   solutions—sold under a variety of names, such as Miracle Mineral   
   Solution—and despite warnings and prosecutions have continued to   
   claim the toxic substance is a “cure” for everything from HIV to   
   Covid-19 to autism. There is no credible evidence to back up any of   
   these claims, which critics have long labeled as nothing more than   
   a grift.   
      
   The treatments typically involve drinking liquid chlorine dioxide   
   on a regular basis, using solutions with concentrations of chlorine   
   dioxide of around 3,000 parts per million (ppm), which is diluted   
   further in water.   
      
   Liu’s treatment, however, involves a much higher concentration of   
   chlorine dioxide—injections of several milliliters of 20,000   
   ppm—and, rather than drinking it, patients have it injected   
   directly into their tumors.   
      
   Liu claims he has injected himself with the solution more than 50   
   times and suffered no side effects. “This personal data point   
   encouraged me to continue research,” he says.   
      
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   Liu has been making the solution in his rented apartment in Beijing   
   by mixing citric acid with sodium chlorite, according to an account   
   he shared earlier this month on his Substack that revealed that a   
   “violent explosion” occurred when he made a mistake.   
      
   “The blast blacked out my vision,” Liu wrote. “Dense clouds of   
   chlorine dioxide burst into my face, filling my eyes, nose, and   
   mouth. I stumbled back into the apartment, rushing to the bathroom   
   to wash out the gas from my eyes and respiratory tract. My lungs   
   were burning. Later, I would find 4–5 cuts on my upper thigh—shards   
   of glass had pierced through my pants.” Liu also revealed that his   
   3-year-old daughter was nearby when the explosion happened.   
      
   Liu began a preclinical study on animals in 2016, before beginning   
   to use the highly concentrated solution to treat human patients in   
   more recent years. He claims that between China and Germany, he has   
   treated 20 patients to date.   
      
   When asked for evidence to back up his claims of efficacy, Liu   
   shared links to a number of preprints, which have not been peer-   
   reviewed, with WIRED. He also shared a pitch deck for a $5 million   
   seed round in a US-focused startup that would provide the chlorine   
   dioxide injections.   
      
   The presentation contains a number of “case studies” of patients he   
   has treated—including a dog—but rather than featuring detailed   
   scientific data, the deck contains disturbing images of the   
   patients’ tumors. The deck also contains, as evidence of the   
   treatment’s efficacy, a screenshot of a WhatsApp conversation with   
   a patient who was apparently treating a liver tumor with chlorine   
   dioxide.   
      
   “Screenshots of WhatsApp chats with patients or their doctors is   
   not evidence of efficacy, yet that is the only evidence he   
   provides,” says Alex Morozov, an oncologist who has overseen   
   hundreds of drug trials at multiple companies including Pfizer.   
   “Needless to say, until appropriate studies are done and published   
   in peer-reviewed journals, or presented at a reputable conference,   
   no patients should be treated except in the context of clinical   
   trials.”   
      
   WIRED spoke to a patient of Liu’s, whose descriptions of the   
   treatment appear to undermine his claims of efficacy and raise   
   serious questions about its safety.   
      
   “I bought the needles online and made the chlorine dioxide by   
   myself [then] I injected it into the tumor and lymph nodes by   
   myself,” says the patient, a Chinese national living in the UK.   
   WIRED granted her anonymity to protect her privacy.   
      
   The patient had previously been taking oral solutions of chlorine   
   dioxide as an alternative treatment for cancer, but, unsatisfied   
   with the results, she contacted Liu via WhatsApp. On a spring   
   evening last year, she took her first injection of chlorine dioxide   
   and, she says, almost immediately suffered negative side effects.   
      
   “It was fine after the injection, but I was woken up by severe pain   
   [like] I had never experienced in my life,” she says. “The pain   
   lasted for three to four days.”   
      
   Despite the pain, she says, she injected herself again two months   
      
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